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good evening ladies and gentlemen and

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courtesy of one of the up-and-coming

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stars an alternative history in the

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world today this is will be male

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best-selling author Bruce our pension

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and we're going to be discussing the

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into Africa theory of human evolution

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his new book that is out on Amazon right

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now you can get it on Kindle I believe

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you can still get it in hard copy as

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well as a soft copy I guess what that

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would be the Kindle you can get it right

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now the link is in the show notes I've

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been tearing through it as much as I can

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over the last couple of days and I'm

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this has been the show I've been excited

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talking to him back in December and you

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whoa there we go and welcome our

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wonderful guests Bruce onto the air

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Bruce how are you doing tonight I should

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say how are you doing today it's it's

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the morning here yeah I'm doing well

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thank you yeah looking forward to a chat

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one of my favorite subjects lecturing on

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them you know my collection but now chat

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chatting on ya human origins all our

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ancestors yep

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should be interesting no I know a lot of

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people out there they're used to hearing

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a name such as Graham Hancock or Laird

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Scranton thrown around in the

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alternative history field

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you're what if they're relatively newer

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authors who has begun releasing work in

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a completely separate but still parallel

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field and your book actually does have

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an introductory chapter or an intro by

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Graham Hancock as well if I'm not

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mistaken yeah yeah he was very key was

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very kind in and providing the forward

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to the book and you know I know he was

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pressed for time to do it so I really

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appreciate him you know taking time out

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to do that because he was actively

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research and you know for his own books

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so yeah I was lucky I was lucky I might

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catch him with just enough time to do

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that it now how did you start with the

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subject matter of your of this this book

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I know that we've heard many lectures on

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ancient history dealing with twelve

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thousand eight hundred and sixty BC but

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we haven't necessarily heard much about

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our much deeper antiquity

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besides that Michael Cremo and forbidden

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archeology so this this is a relatively

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and untouched subject because a lot of

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the times when we touch on this subject

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from certain authors we get into a lot

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of woowoo [\h__\h] dealing with space

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aliens who are baby reptilians who may

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have come here to mine gold or

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what-have-you

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there's been no real hard science in it

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and yeah you've taken a very good

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rational approach to the subject matter

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how did you get into the subject matter

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to begin with because it seems like a

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very interesting part of human history

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to start yeah absolutely and you're

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right there that it's not it's a subject

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area that alternative researchers you

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know all these non academics would

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normally touch a part of my sister you

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said you know there's a couple of a good

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examples and probably a handful of bad

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examples when people have done that but

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they they don't supply the evidence so

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my word yeah is quite different and that

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came about really I was involved with

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like a megalithic site in Ecuador and I

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was living in Ecuador about five years

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and by by a strange sort of coincidence

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you know I probably been there about

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four months and I ended up at a in a

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conversation with this local like a

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local shamanic healer who I was could we

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like come along talk to them a

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restaurant you know about something

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they're doing on so we are going on as

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well and but there will be another cup

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there and that it was okay if they were

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there I thought yeah sure you know no

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problem and it turned out this other

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couple the guy had just come back from

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the jungle with the team and they had

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found this like megalithic site in the

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jungle so I was like probably the first

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people to hear about it and I must be

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that the only english-speaking you know

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research probably for like a thousand

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miles from the guide I mean so it was

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when those really sort of strange

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synchronous you know synchronicity type

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events where you like blind must be

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supposed to know about this and so I got

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involved with that ended up tracking out

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to the site a couple of times he thought

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he was a lost he of giants because of

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the size of some of the artifacts and

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they found a large pestle and mortar and

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so hammered

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looking objects you know so I can't say

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exactly what they are but they're very

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large so yeah that was kind of her began

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in a way because then I'd be on

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researching you know who could have

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built this site you know what was the

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backstory and that led me to a group of

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people called the lagoa santa down in

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brazil because supposedly they've come

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up through the Amazon and ended up in

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Ecuador and had literally saw founded

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the first human communities in the

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region where this site was and and and

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these guys they lead you on again

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because their their skull morphology

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like the shape of the skull is

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considered to be Australoid so really

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their evidence of a approach of

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population in the Americas that came

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from some Oceania Australia New Zealand

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you know that that kind of region they

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come out of that area ended up in South

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America so you know it's a fascinating

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story and I had to fit that into the

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context of you know where does that fit

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with our of Africa you know what are

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these people doing there like I was

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struggling to make sense because some of

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the dates for them go back to maybe

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fifty sixty thousand years ago down in

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South America I mean those are

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controversial dates but they are you

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know dates that have arisen from

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archaeology not from you know somebody

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just making them up and saying you know

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I think there was people in America you

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know they found charcoal in fires and

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they found you know cave art that you

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know these are there seem to suggest

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this early presence and so I wanted to

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validate that so I did some background

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checking and my background checking

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spiraled into a total reevaluation of

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the existing Mir model now Australoid

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that's referring to the term proto

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asteroids meaning the first used by

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Dixon with regards to the indigenous

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individuals from from Australia is yeah

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now I know we've had a couple of

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researchers who are researching the the

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cone the cone skulls of our casts and

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there's been a lot of state or a lot of

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indication that there has been some

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migration through the Polynesian islands

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from you know from from Australia from

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Western or Eastern Asia into South

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America from that side now your which

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you know they're they're dealing with

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dates some some as far back as let's say

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30,000 BC but you're dealing with around

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the 200 to 300 thousand give or take

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probably a little bit earlier than that

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how did you first start looking at the

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dates because they're they're a little

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difference in what you've written

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compared to what's out in mainstream

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science yeah I mean I you know I went

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through the conventional papers I'm in a

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way in one mistake I prepped I perhaps

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made is I didn't really look for for

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other scientists that were offering you

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know I guess counter views you know I

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looked at the mainstream view and then

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assess that and came up with what I

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considered to be so delayering anomalies

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and holes in their theory I now

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understand there were other scientists

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out there who I probably could have

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connected with we've already supplied

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papers notice because they've also

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noticed that there's some really big

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holes in the model I mean I I covered

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the period going back for to about seven

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million years ago up until about 20,000

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years ago obviously some parts of that

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I've covered in more depth than others I

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mean the early part is really just -

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well I like continued - you know I mean

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I I so for when do we have these first

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hominins you know so to be kind of

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complete you know I had a quick look at

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that and there's arguments over when the

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first hominids arose because I mean you

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look at some of these really early

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examples and you know I'm not convinced

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that they're hominins you know I think

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that they're primates and I feel a lot

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of us you know you can see a lot of

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scientists also dispute this I think

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it's all about four or five million

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years ago we don't really have anything

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that we can we can say is really a

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hominid

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in my view so I kind of covered that

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period onwards in a bit more depth and

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then all the way up to about 20,000

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years ago so I'm dating for me really a

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start with the day I needed to check to

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see how could you know Australian type

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people have ended up in the Americas up

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to about 50-60 thousand years ago was

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that plausible and if it was plausible

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how does that impact the wider out of

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Africa theory so that's the kind of date

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range I started out but I did do a broad

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sweeping look through the timeline now I

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one thing that I did want to bring up

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and I know that's some of our listeners

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would absolutely kill me afterwards if I

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didn't which is in the that this was

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released by ABC News recently and I

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think it was also a National Geographic

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that when with regards to the ancient

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jawbone that was found in Israel which

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yes showing that at least the title

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states that humans left Africa around a

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hundred and a thousand years ago it's

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supposed to be the oldest fossilized

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sapien remains found outside of Africa

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within that time period how does this

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relate to the into Africa theory but is

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it's more of a proof of concept or is it

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more of a well it's kind of an anomaly

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you know it's something that that may

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not necessarily need to be looked at

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mm-hmm well I mean our first thing as I

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said an honest review of that find would

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be that we don't know if it you know we

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don't know if that population that

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recently came out of Africa we don't

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know if it was recently going in towards

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Africa and we don't know if it descended

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from a group that had been in Eurasia

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for a much longer period and this is one

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the pros I have with the media and the

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way reports things is there's always

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that initial statement when our

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ancestors came out of Africa or or this

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mated you know an earlier point when we

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came out of Africa but but nobody

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actually offers you evidence that

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supports that opening sentence because

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you know it's now assumed that we had to

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just take that for granted and that's

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when the reasons why Graham Hancock was

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willing to write the foreword is you

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know he makes that point in the foreword

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that it's the one area of like

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paleoanthropology that nobody questions

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that they'll have these raging wars over

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you know is this Chinese fossil

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important or not you know but but when

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it comes to the arab africa part is just

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get you're given like a

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in the statement and it is not clarified

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why that is at all and so I dispute the

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way they've interpreted that because

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there's multiple interpretations from my

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point of view I mean I argued in my book

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that there was a migration heading

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towards Africa two hundred thousand

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years ago so yes this evidence fits very

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well with several guys you know I've

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expected I expect to find more Homo

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sapiens fossils dating around 200,000

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years ago all across Eurasia and one the

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reason we don't see them between the

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Levant and East Asia because we have

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them in East Asia we have them in China

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you know we have them now in the Levant

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we don't see them in the middle but

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that's largely because I bet you know if

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we went and researched you know how much

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money is going into that research in

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some of those countries in between the

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two you're going to find that they are

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not specially a lot of cash on looking

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for hominin fossils I mean there's some

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you know there's some very poor

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countries there's some problematic

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countries you know there's vast areas of

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Central Asia where I don't think people

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are looking for these so we get this

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kind of skewed view as well that well

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they're only in the LaVon or they're

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only in China it's like well that's not

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really realistic because one way or the

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other they're even moving east to west

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across Eurasia

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to get to these places whether you go

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out of Africa or you take my view and

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you're coming out of sort of Australasia

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and Southeast Asia

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you know they still need to pass through

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all of your Asian so those fossils have

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to be there and I think as people start

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to look for them we're going to find

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there's a much more complex picture and

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I think we're going to see that there's

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you know hominins and Homo sapiens

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widespread in Eurasia 200,000 years ago

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well what what exactly is the timeline

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can you take us through and you know a

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brief overview of what the migration was

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like sure yep I mean I've come different

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major phases so from my perspective I've

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said that you know the first thing we

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need to know is like a primate ancestors

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they've moved up from East Asia and

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Southeast Asia around about 35 million

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years ago they've headed through through

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Eurasia there's some important stages of

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development you know even up to about 15

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years 15 million years ago 10 million

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years ago they're happening down in in

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basically in Eurasia in Europe there's

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you know obviously some finds recently

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have sort of supported that this means

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the 7 million year-old

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hominin fossils found down I think is

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Greece and also some footprints

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you know the hominin down in the same

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sort of area and we know that there was

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a key stage in our development down

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there but it's considered to be you know

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a primate ancestor but then soon after

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that we have the first hominids in

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Africa so we've had this first into

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Africa from Asia going all the way back

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to maybe seven million years ago right

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and then you have the development of the

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first hominins seems to occur in Africa

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I don't really dispute that as far as I

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can see they enter Africa the evolution

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continues there and you know we have

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these these initial proto can of humans

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that emerge within that period of seven

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million to four million years ago and

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these includes like the

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australopithecines that people might

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have heard about there they're you know

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they're fairly obviously you know early

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humans if you like you know they'll see

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bipedal that's done to take this thought

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the form you know they have more of our

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features some of them even beginning to

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you know grow larger brains and so

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they're still pretty small the brains

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are pretty you know contemporaneous with

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chimpanzee brains but they're starting

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to increase and today after that that

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really the key stage for me is at one

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point eight to two million years ago

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we have Homo erectus appears on the

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scene and he he actually leaves you know

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he and she you know they leave Africa

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around about 1.8 million years ago we

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know that because we have fossils in

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Georgia

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you know de man see which they found

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five skulls there which show that you

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know these people have left Africa much

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earlier than it was long suspected and

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that there's a Britain is another group

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within Africa and at this point they

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break them up into two groups as Homo

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ergaster in Africa and Homo erectus

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that's moving out into Eurasia and these

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these people kind of spread all the way

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down to Southeast Asia by about 1.7 1.8

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million years ago so in kind of infer

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that they've left I think at least two

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million years ago from Africa to get

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down to Southeast Asia scribe it's quite

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a hike really a slow expansion they're

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also in in Spain by about 1.4 million

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years ago so they're they're literally

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kind of colonizing all of Eurasia very

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widespread species they even reach you

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know into the Indonesian islands by

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about a million years ago you know we've

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got tools on Flores which are assumed to

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be Homo erectus and they're there at 1

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million years ago so they've really gone

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pretty much everywhere by a million

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years ago

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where I differ that you know from an out

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of Africa in this is does they say that

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the people to watching this story of the

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Homo ergaster the ones you haven't done

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anything haven't gone anywhere I've

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stuck in the same place you know have no

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real driver to change and well adapted

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to where they live but these are the

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ones that supposed to be in the rapid

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process of evolution towards more than

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humans but I struggle with that because

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right there you see some lack of common

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sense because we know that evolution is

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driven by adaptation you know right it's

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driven by your environments it's driven

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by problems and change

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so who's encountering more of these

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pressures to evolve the guy who stays at

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home and does nothing right all the guys

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out there I don't you know it's doing

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all this stuff has to climb over the

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mountains of Eurasia and it's like

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wandering down and sailing off into

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Indonesia I think that they have a

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little bit more pressure to adapt right

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and so this is what I say out of Africa

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for me has happened 1.8 million years

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ago right unless when our ancestors have

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left I don't buy this story that you

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know these people that like literally

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have done nothing except be well adapted

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to where they've stayed are the best

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candidates and so this this to me then

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is you know again why were these

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articles I have a problem because when

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they say that you know oh it looks like

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you know our ancestors left like fifty

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thousand years earlier know our

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ancestors left 1.8 million years ago so

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you know don't follow us off with this

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story that you know that they're just

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coming out recently and this is where

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there's a huge divide between my

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argument and not just my argument

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there's other people that you know the

519
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academics they have argued this as well

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said that they think Homo erectus is a

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much better candidate and that when we

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look down in Southeast Asia we see no

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there's adaptation there's changes we

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see um new forms arising we also see in

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Europe we see a number of new forms

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arising as they transition towards

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what's called Homo heidelbergensis and

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this is like a you know really is an

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early Neanderthal there's another

530
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similar form which may well be becoming

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Denisovans but we don't have Denisovans

532
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girls identified yet so we don't know

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but there's some anomalous skulls which

534
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may be early Denisovans down in china

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and also some transitional you know what

536
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looks like transitional Homo sapiens

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early Homo sapiens down in Asia as well

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so it is certainly to me the story is

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external to Africa

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now with rod to the demo

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viens this is a branch of human of

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sapiens that are not necessarily very

543
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:53,720
well-known because we've only found that

544
00:19:58,300 --> 00:19:55,520
very few remains I know most of them

545
00:20:00,540 --> 00:19:58,310
have been found in northern in northern

546
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:00,550
Russia in Siberia

547
00:20:06,850 --> 00:20:03,770
yeah how did how did they fit into the

548
00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:06,860
the overall you know the overall branch

549
00:20:12,190 --> 00:20:08,300
some people say that they could have

550
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:12,200
been Neanderthal you know sapien mix or

551
00:20:17,260 --> 00:20:14,210
it was because a mixture between

552
00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:17,270
Neanderthals and Denisovans that homo

553
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,430
sapiens came about although they they're

554
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:20,960
supposed to be a branch off of the

555
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:23,840
Neanderthal line are they not well

556
00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:26,450
they're closer related yeah the what I

557
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:28,370
now think is that having looked again at

558
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:29,930
the genetics I mean fairly recently

559
00:20:33,610 --> 00:20:31,850
they've come to the conclusion that it

560
00:20:35,950 --> 00:20:33,620
appears to the last time that we saw

561
00:20:37,450 --> 00:20:35,960
definitively shared a common ancestor

562
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:37,460
with you know all three of us the three

563
00:20:43,690 --> 00:20:40,930
species or subspecies was around about

564
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:43,700
750,000 years ago certainly the period

565
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:45,050
say eight hundred to seven hundred

566
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:47,090
thousand years ago and that what

567
00:20:53,860 --> 00:20:51,170
happened is one split occurs and the and

568
00:20:56,050 --> 00:20:53,870
that split soon after it splits again

569
00:20:58,540 --> 00:20:56,060
into ten at the early Denisovans energy

570
00:21:00,280 --> 00:20:58,550
Neanderthals and that we just like I

571
00:21:02,140 --> 00:21:00,290
think it's about my future to at five

572
00:21:04,510 --> 00:21:02,150
thousand years later that you know our

573
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:04,520
line sort of branches off from that

574
00:21:10,090 --> 00:21:07,130
common ancestor so it's fairly close and

575
00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:10,100
again their split is also fairly close

576
00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:11,510
so everything's kind of happening around

577
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:14,030
in that period say 750 to 700,000 years

578
00:21:17,740 --> 00:21:15,770
ago they're all three of these groups

579
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:17,750
have split away down their own lines so

580
00:21:22,420 --> 00:21:21,200
they're all fairly close in time and so

581
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:22,430
they would have been you know very

582
00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:23,690
similar I mean we talk about beginning

583
00:21:28,270 --> 00:21:26,870
free very similar you know groups that

584
00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:28,280
would have been if we saw them they

585
00:21:32,110 --> 00:21:30,470
would look the same you know and that

586
00:21:33,970 --> 00:21:32,120
those changes in the morphology and the

587
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:33,980
way they look would have occurred sort

588
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,930
of you know over that following seven

589
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:37,280
hundred thousand years you know so we've

590
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:39,290
obviously we've began to move into

591
00:21:43,330 --> 00:21:40,490
different different geographic regions

592
00:21:46,420 --> 00:21:43,340
and actually being isolated encourages

593
00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:46,430
you know specific racial or Noreen

594
00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:48,550
Rachel with specifics or subspecies

595
00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:51,230
morphology so we have I say racial cuz

596
00:21:54,340 --> 00:21:52,910
race race does get spread out which is

597
00:21:56,020 --> 00:21:54,350
really more of a social construct but

598
00:21:57,700 --> 00:21:56,030
but we have you know morphology will

599
00:22:00,370 --> 00:21:57,710
have skull shape changes will have

600
00:22:00,690 --> 00:22:00,380
changes to their their their genes you

601
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:00,700
know

602
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:03,130
things are gonna happen over that time

603
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,890
so really Denisovans are as unique as we

604
00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:08,320
are and as Neanderthals are but they

605
00:22:13,290 --> 00:22:10,510
certainly are slightly closer related to

606
00:22:15,090 --> 00:22:13,300
nanda Thor's than to us so really the

607
00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:15,100
exciting part of the story feel like

608
00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:16,630
it's happening in that period for me

609
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:18,760
it's happening around about 750,000

610
00:22:24,150 --> 00:22:21,520
years ago something there which I

611
00:22:26,580 --> 00:22:24,160
consider anomalous in my view something

612
00:22:28,110 --> 00:22:26,590
happens which causes you know homo

613
00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:28,120
erectus or something very much like a

614
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,000
homo erectus to certainly diversify into

615
00:22:34,830 --> 00:22:33,280
multiple you know hominin lines which

616
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:34,840
will go on to be you know advanced

617
00:22:38,550 --> 00:22:36,850
humans with you know higher cognitive

618
00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:38,560
thinking and you know they're each

619
00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:40,270
express their are their language you

620
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:42,190
know it seems like that that that

621
00:22:47,130 --> 00:22:44,530
trigger comes on you know around about

622
00:22:49,670 --> 00:22:47,140
that time I believe it was terence

623
00:22:53,490 --> 00:22:49,680
mckenna who postulated the theory of

624
00:22:57,060 --> 00:22:53,500
apes taking mushrooms and that being a

625
00:22:59,160 --> 00:22:57,070
part of the evolutionary process for

626
00:23:02,010 --> 00:22:59,170
them to actually start having their

627
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:02,020
brains grow in size i guess that would

628
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:06,640
give a good a good term to the bird a

629
00:23:12,150 --> 00:23:08,970
good name to the term high-technology

630
00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:12,160
yeah yeah his own date theory yeah it

631
00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:13,900
would be a high technology and i don't

632
00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:15,270
see why they wouldn't have stumbled on

633
00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:18,550
these plants but um you know so i'm not

634
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:20,200
sort of married to that theory but i

635
00:23:23,370 --> 00:23:21,490
mean I'm certainly open minded to I

636
00:23:24,150 --> 00:23:23,380
think that we would have encountered you

637
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:24,160
know Hallucigenia

638
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:26,650
plants or early in the story I mean it's

639
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,450
you know as it's been pointed out you

640
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:30,880
know is we're looking for food you know

641
00:23:36,450 --> 00:23:34,330
cows provide food you know and their cow

642
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:36,460
pats grow magic mushrooms mushrooms of

643
00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:38,290
food you know you can kind of see how it

644
00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:42,220
would be at some point inevitable that

645
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:43,900
we would come across magic mushrooms for

646
00:23:47,460 --> 00:23:45,370
example I mean and they're obviously

647
00:23:50,460 --> 00:23:47,470
there are other you know plants which

648
00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:50,470
cause Hallucigenia States even poisonous

649
00:23:54,180 --> 00:23:52,120
plants you know that if you eat small

650
00:23:55,770 --> 00:23:54,190
amounts then you don't die you know that

651
00:23:57,570 --> 00:23:55,780
you'll still have these experiences so I

652
00:23:58,830 --> 00:23:57,580
mean it's I think it's quite likely that

653
00:24:00,990 --> 00:23:58,840
yeah that those plants have played a

654
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:01,000
role I think that anyone who's used to

655
00:24:04,260 --> 00:24:02,650
lose such any plants you know life you

656
00:24:07,170 --> 00:24:04,270
know I've used you know a sort of

657
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,180
platform of evolutionary plants myself I

658
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:08,880
said president that's 20 of these

659
00:24:20,620 --> 00:24:10,970
berries Bruce

660
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:20,630
oh you know it's like for friends who

661
00:24:23,620 --> 00:24:22,010
will I get to get together and you know

662
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:23,630
get around that fire and you know

663
00:24:27,399 --> 00:24:25,970
they'll have a few beers so it you look

664
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:27,409
back at the same way and in terms of

665
00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:30,770
history and human evolution and our the

666
00:24:34,779 --> 00:24:32,809
way that we are just as beings and in

667
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:34,789
terms of our human nature we always just

668
00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:36,110
tend to like just to get really [\h__\h]

669
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:38,630
up around fires it just works and then

670
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:40,690
just tell stories and sometimes you got

671
00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:44,210
ideas so you know you have to think okay

672
00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:47,150
well if did the Denisovans do the same

673
00:24:50,260 --> 00:24:48,710
thing did home or you know Homo erectus

674
00:24:54,250 --> 00:24:50,270
do something very similar what was their

675
00:24:56,289 --> 00:24:54,260
language like you know did they just get

676
00:24:58,649 --> 00:24:56,299
really off on on fermented berries that

677
00:25:03,630 --> 00:24:58,659
they found you know things like that

678
00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:03,640
changing tack with that what how did the

679
00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:06,110
interlayer the glacial periods within

680
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:07,700
the last or at least the current ice age

681
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:11,570
factor into the migration patterns we're

682
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:13,190
currently in an interglacial period

683
00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:16,490
ourselves and you know they last

684
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:18,470
sometimes 50,000 sometimes about a

685
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:21,110
hundred thousand years but you know if

686
00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:23,330
we're talking timelines as far back as

687
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:25,159
two million years ago that was around

688
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:28,490
the start of the initial large Ice Age

689
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:30,049
period that we that were currently still

690
00:25:35,470 --> 00:25:33,110
in haven't have you noticed any any

691
00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:35,480
differences within the migratory

692
00:25:41,380 --> 00:25:38,150
patterns that had corresponded with any

693
00:25:45,610 --> 00:25:41,390
of the you know leechers either receding

694
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:45,620
or encroaching on territory did was this

695
00:25:50,770 --> 00:25:49,010
a factor well that me a definite climate

696
00:25:52,779 --> 00:25:50,780
environments been a major factor I mean

697
00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:52,789
there's there's times when you know our

698
00:25:55,659 --> 00:25:54,020
species is really being sort of

699
00:25:58,180 --> 00:25:55,669
clobbered I mean you go back to about

700
00:25:59,649 --> 00:25:58,190
1.2 million years ago 2 million years

701
00:26:02,470 --> 00:25:59,659
ago in that period we were down they

702
00:26:03,789 --> 00:26:02,480
think to perhaps maybe 10,000 people you

703
00:26:07,149 --> 00:26:03,799
know globally and that that's including

704
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:07,159
of any form of hominin you know that so

705
00:26:10,779 --> 00:26:09,230
these were nested just our ancestors but

706
00:26:13,690 --> 00:26:10,789
they think that there was like about

707
00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:13,700
10,000 humans of any sort on the planet

708
00:26:17,649 --> 00:26:15,950
you know something had had literally so

709
00:26:18,899 --> 00:26:17,659
pushed us towards extinction I mean

710
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:18,909
that's likely to be an obviously

711
00:26:24,010 --> 00:26:21,710
climatic and environmental factors to do

712
00:26:24,900 --> 00:26:24,020
with what was happening at the time so

713
00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:24,910
you know we have been

714
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:28,030
was driven to extinction previously and

715
00:26:31,530 --> 00:26:29,440
such things have had has recurred you

716
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:31,540
know again 800,000 years ago there was

717
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:33,850
major climate shifts and in fact again

718
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:35,890
that's to me 800,000 years ago as an

719
00:26:39,930 --> 00:26:38,770
anomalous kind of time as my wife's kind

720
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:39,940
of working on a book about that knavish

721
00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:41,650
well you know a flag up to you when it's

722
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:43,270
done but kind of focus you get beyond

723
00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:44,530
that P and I'm helping there with that

724
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:46,750
because you have massive climate

725
00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:50,320
instability at this point you do have a

726
00:26:54,930 --> 00:26:52,420
period of if I'm a rightly that you know

727
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:54,940
you've got sea level you know huge sea

728
00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:56,770
level swings you know you've got the

729
00:27:00,180 --> 00:26:58,360
changes in the temperature you know

730
00:27:02,790 --> 00:27:00,190
they've got all these factors and this

731
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:02,800
also just proceeds that that point where

732
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,310
these new hominins appear so it does

733
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:07,840
seem that you know what's happening in

734
00:27:12,570 --> 00:27:09,910
the environment may well be playing a

735
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:12,580
role in this sudden change you know in

736
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:15,310
what we are as a you know as a being and

737
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:16,450
I think that's partly because when you

738
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:18,490
have small populations if there's a

739
00:27:22,980 --> 00:27:20,530
mutation right it spreads through the

740
00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:22,990
population really fast so you can see

741
00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:24,460
that when we get clobbered by you know

742
00:27:29,070 --> 00:27:26,950
like extensive ice you know or we get

743
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:29,080
clobbered by sudden sea level rises or

744
00:27:33,630 --> 00:27:31,450
whatever it is you know that that it

745
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:33,640
does influence the evolution of the

746
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:35,170
species quite a lot and it's so

747
00:27:38,610 --> 00:27:37,090
surprising people think well why is that

748
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:38,620
basically all it takes is when

749
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:40,810
advantageous mutation say that allows

750
00:27:45,180 --> 00:27:42,970
you to survive the cold and then you and

751
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,190
your line survive you know and the other

752
00:27:49,410 --> 00:27:47,200
lots they all die they die in droves and

753
00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:49,420
so you know suddenly this mutation is

754
00:27:53,550 --> 00:27:51,820
you know is within everyone that

755
00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:53,560
survives so you have a kind of a new

756
00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:56,920
human form being so molded by that

757
00:28:00,990 --> 00:27:58,930
environment so I do think yeah I think

758
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:01,000
it's played a huge role and again later

759
00:28:05,370 --> 00:28:02,890
on in the story to sort of jump forward

760
00:28:07,950 --> 00:28:05,380
it's 73 thousand years ago you know you

761
00:28:09,930 --> 00:28:07,960
got the Lake Toba supervolcano and that

762
00:28:11,970 --> 00:28:09,940
you know it's been a huge driver in the

763
00:28:13,230 --> 00:28:11,980
climate the climate was already cooling

764
00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:13,240
at this point which is being so well

765
00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:15,640
recognized but but Tober then explodes

766
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,860
accelerates that cooling trend by

767
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:19,360
throwing up all this dust and gas and

768
00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:21,310
you know it drives the northern

769
00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:23,500
hemisphere into this like super winter

770
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:26,350
like a nuclear winter and so anyone like

771
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,450
living north north of the Equator

772
00:28:34,650 --> 00:28:31,360
is is basically being sort of eradicated

773
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:34,660
by this combination of you know of where

774
00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:37,450
you'd have increased darkness you know

775
00:28:40,289 --> 00:28:38,590
so few plants that us

776
00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:40,299
many types of plants and trees are dying

777
00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:41,980
obviously the animals that depend on

778
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:43,900
them died on top of that you've got acid

779
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:45,460
rain a lot of your drinking water is now

780
00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:49,090
contaminated and this intense cold you

781
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:51,100
know so you can imagine the effects that

782
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:52,450
had on humans and you know it's been

783
00:28:57,210 --> 00:28:54,490
fairly well recognized that the human

784
00:29:00,330 --> 00:28:57,220
population plummets in numbers at this

785
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:00,340
time and this is like bottleneck event

786
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:02,409
and again when there's East bottleneck

787
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:04,990
events we see the emergence of new

788
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,970
traits and new types of humans and

789
00:29:11,639 --> 00:29:09,520
funnily enough really that that period

790
00:29:13,889 --> 00:29:11,649
coincides with what I would consider the

791
00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:13,899
emergence of fully you know fully fully

792
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:16,750
modern humans and I mean before that we

793
00:29:20,669 --> 00:29:18,370
seem to have a sort of a mix of

794
00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:20,679
different kinds of fairly modern human

795
00:29:25,409 --> 00:29:22,750
but I think you know that they're driven

796
00:29:27,419 --> 00:29:25,419
into survival areas and then in survival

797
00:29:29,580 --> 00:29:27,429
areas obviously the remaining people

798
00:29:31,740 --> 00:29:29,590
interbreed so what you end up with a

799
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,750
more homogeneous population that was

800
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:34,480
once widespread and diverse when you

801
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,580
push them all into one place you know -

802
00:29:40,169 --> 00:29:38,799
like one town's area also you know

803
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:40,179
you're not going to end up with a very

804
00:29:44,639 --> 00:29:42,250
diverse population anymore because as we

805
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:44,649
know people interbreed they mix and you

806
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:46,510
end up with a homogenous population

807
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,130
which what we have obviously more in the

808
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:50,080
world today now because of the way we're

809
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:51,490
all interlinked we're starting to be

810
00:29:56,100 --> 00:29:53,980
more homogeneous so so I think it's kind

811
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,110
of it's kind of funny the way these the

812
00:30:01,919 --> 00:29:58,000
climate factors have driven the

813
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:01,929
emergence of our of our form you know I

814
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:05,110
know that with the migration that out of

815
00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:07,929
Australia about 60,000 years ago you

816
00:30:12,299 --> 00:30:10,360
know at that point we had I think some

817
00:30:14,850 --> 00:30:12,309
estimates are twenty to thirty thousand

818
00:30:16,289 --> 00:30:14,860
modern humans left at that point some

819
00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:16,299
some put it as high as around fifty or

820
00:30:21,570 --> 00:30:20,590
sixty thousand one wide there have been

821
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:21,580
some theories that have been postulated

822
00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:25,450
based on you know some of the theories

823
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:28,500
dealing with the comet impacts and how

824
00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:33,090
mass extinctions with with megafauna

825
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:35,350
can be mitigated depending on the type

826
00:30:38,340 --> 00:30:37,000
of climate and where it's actually you

827
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:38,350
know where where it's actually placed in

828
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:41,399
Africa seems to be one of the more

829
00:30:46,409 --> 00:30:43,990
hospitable places especially sub-saharan

830
00:30:48,659 --> 00:30:46,419
Africa it seems to insulate all the

831
00:30:51,389 --> 00:30:48,669
changes within the environment a lot

832
00:30:54,810 --> 00:30:51,399
better mm-hmm now did

833
00:30:58,440 --> 00:30:54,820
have you noticed any differences within

834
00:31:00,450 --> 00:30:58,450
the data between the blood types are in

835
00:31:03,749 --> 00:31:00,460
haplogroups from Australia to Africa at

836
00:31:06,749 --> 00:31:03,759
that point are there any similarities

837
00:31:08,339 --> 00:31:06,759
that or is it is there still a an

838
00:31:11,369 --> 00:31:08,349
indication that there was a Reem I gray

839
00:31:12,419 --> 00:31:11,379
Shin to Africa at that point mm-hmm yeah

840
00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:12,429
when you look at the differences the

841
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:14,249
first thing is that you notice that

842
00:31:19,009 --> 00:31:16,960
sub-saharan Africans and Australian

843
00:31:21,749 --> 00:31:19,019
Aboriginals are the two most divergent

844
00:31:22,859 --> 00:31:21,759
populations on the planet right so

845
00:31:24,269 --> 00:31:22,869
although people would look and think

846
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,279
well you know these are just another

847
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:26,080
group of black Africans you know on the

848
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:27,279
face of it you know it been easy

849
00:31:31,259 --> 00:31:29,049
assumption to make but when you look at

850
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:31,269
the DNA you find that no these are the

851
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:33,089
two most divergent and that you know the

852
00:31:40,049 --> 00:31:37,289
Europeans and Asian's are far closer to

853
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,059
particularly Australian Aboriginals but

854
00:31:44,129 --> 00:31:41,919
also even to Africans then then these

855
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:44,139
two groups are to each other so I mean

856
00:31:48,719 --> 00:31:46,570
they've been you know separated for a

857
00:31:50,820 --> 00:31:48,729
very long time and in fact the evidence

858
00:31:52,589 --> 00:31:50,830
suggests that the separation is at least

859
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:52,599
72 thousand years old

860
00:31:56,759 --> 00:31:54,820
right a massive funny date because we've

861
00:32:00,299 --> 00:31:56,769
just talked about tober right which has

862
00:32:02,099 --> 00:32:00,309
happened at 73 thousand years ago so in

863
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:02,109
my argument I say well look what's

864
00:32:07,379 --> 00:32:05,049
happened here is not so much a migration

865
00:32:10,049 --> 00:32:07,389
right but you imagine you've got a

866
00:32:12,899 --> 00:32:10,059
population that stretches from Africa

867
00:32:14,729 --> 00:32:12,909
through Eurasia down to Australia okay

868
00:32:16,769 --> 00:32:14,739
and there's interbreeding so you've got

869
00:32:19,019 --> 00:32:16,779
gene flow which is going right across

870
00:32:20,609 --> 00:32:19,029
the region which keeps us again fairly

871
00:32:23,879 --> 00:32:20,619
homogeneous because you're passing on

872
00:32:26,009 --> 00:32:23,889
traits across the region then a volcano

873
00:32:28,709 --> 00:32:26,019
goes off you know the climate plummets

874
00:32:30,869 --> 00:32:28,719
most of those people in Eurasia die so

875
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,879
you've severed that link between Africa

876
00:32:35,159 --> 00:32:33,279
and Australia and are firmly enough at

877
00:32:37,379 --> 00:32:35,169
that date you see evidence of a

878
00:32:39,719 --> 00:32:37,389
divergence of these two populations

879
00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:39,729
you know and so you can take that where

880
00:32:43,049 --> 00:32:41,320
was their migration I don't think it

881
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,059
took a migration it just took an awful

882
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:45,519
lot of people dying in between and

883
00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:47,049
that's why you know because there's an

884
00:32:49,950 --> 00:32:48,070
assumption sometimes I hear people

885
00:32:51,209 --> 00:32:49,960
moving around me it's not always you

886
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,219
know it's not always that simple I think

887
00:32:55,739 --> 00:32:53,679
that the model better reflects this

888
00:32:59,129 --> 00:32:55,749
separation being due to Tobin because of

889
00:33:01,139 --> 00:32:59,139
the date I mean it's just so close and

890
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,149
at the same dating right is when you see

891
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:03,519
the you see in Africa where in the

892
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:04,980
African modern Gina

893
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:08,010
you find there's these two haplogroups

894
00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:10,500
one on the y chromosome on the male line

895
00:33:15,409 --> 00:33:12,870
one on the mtDNA like I wish which are

896
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:15,419
considered to be ancestral to all living

897
00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:18,059
Eurasians right so you have on the MT

898
00:33:23,539 --> 00:33:21,059
line you have l3 right and then on the Y

899
00:33:25,159 --> 00:33:23,549
chromosome you have CT and right you

900
00:33:26,780 --> 00:33:25,169
find that these are considered basal or

901
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:26,790
the rate or the base at the roots of

902
00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:29,100
modern Eurasians okay so this is where

903
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:30,660
this out of Africa theory kind of stems

904
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:32,130
from it's from the genetics because they

905
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:34,710
say well look it's around 70,000 years

906
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:37,380
ago we can see this marker in in modern

907
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:39,960
Africans and we can see that this is you

908
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:42,570
know so closely related to the Eurasian

909
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:45,450
lines which are on the the MT line are

910
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:47,910
sit at M and N basically people that

911
00:33:53,510 --> 00:33:51,929
don't know and then i kce on the male

912
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:53,520
line that they seem to emerge from the

913
00:33:57,890 --> 00:33:56,610
same you know original haplogroups say

914
00:33:59,510 --> 00:33:57,900
well look if they're in the africans

915
00:34:02,240 --> 00:33:59,520
about seventy thousand years ago

916
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:02,250
surely that means that your agents have

917
00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:04,650
come out of africa right so this is kind

918
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:07,230
of logical inference it's not evident

919
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:09,929
people say to me DNA proves we came out

920
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:10,409
of Africa

921
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,810
well that's total [\h__\h] because the

922
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:13,919
first thing you have to say is right the

923
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:16,500
oldest DNA sample we have from an

924
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,690
African fossil is eight thousand years

925
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:20,460
old tell me how an eight thousand year

926
00:34:26,180 --> 00:34:22,649
old sample can place your ancestors

927
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:26,190
seventy thousand years ago right I'm not

928
00:34:33,099 --> 00:34:28,530
even sure I don't see how know it for

929
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:33,109
the other forget the difference in time

930
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,850
Italy have they gotten a DNA samples

931
00:34:39,859 --> 00:34:37,440
from from anything

932
00:34:41,330 --> 00:34:39,869
younger than that or I should say

933
00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:41,340
anything older than that from from

934
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:43,379
anywhere around Africa elsewhere

935
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:46,020
yeah elsewhere the oldest samples of

936
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:48,570
modern human DNA are about forty-five

937
00:34:52,490 --> 00:34:50,010
thousand years old and they're from sort

938
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,500
of from Eastern Europe like Romania and

939
00:34:57,020 --> 00:34:55,200
up in Siberia right so we get more

940
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:57,030
information from those but those of

941
00:35:00,620 --> 00:34:58,740
course they can't places in Africa they

942
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,630
can only play certain Romania and in

943
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:02,460
Siberia again so unless you have like

944
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:04,710
eighty thousand year old fossils in

945
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:07,380
Africa to have DNA then you don't have

946
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:10,290
ancestral DNA right so so what they did

947
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:11,850
is did is they inferred they thought

948
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:13,770
well probably the ancestors of these

949
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:16,050
modern Africans were probably in Africa

950
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:18,900
at that point seventy thousand years

951
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:21,300
and because they have this this genome

952
00:35:26,210 --> 00:35:23,370
which is ancestral to Eurasians probably

953
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:26,220
we musta come out of Africa now it seems

954
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:28,410
on the face of it logical but let me put

955
00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:29,850
in a little bit of logic here that that

956
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:31,980
changes that you've got an enormous

957
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:34,260
climate event in Eurasia

958
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:37,110
it's killing everyone right do you stay

959
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:39,420
and die or are you gonna move away from

960
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:41,460
the problem like I'm gonna move my

961
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,710
family away from the problem right

962
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,320
because if you can see that the people

963
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:48,720
to the east are coming to you saying man

964
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:51,810
is [\h__\h] bad to the east you wanna

965
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:52,560
head west

966
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:53,970
we're dying you know everyone's dead out

967
00:35:58,100 --> 00:35:56,160
there which way you're gonna go west

968
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:58,110
right and so the other people to the Far

969
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:00,180
East you know if they're alive I mean

970
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:01,650
these people have been hit really bad by

971
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:04,200
Toba if they're alive they need to get

972
00:36:08,210 --> 00:36:05,640
into Australia right so there's

973
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:08,220
basically two survival zones you can get

974
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:10,680
into sub-sub Equatorial Africa and

975
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:13,140
survive or you can get Australasia and

976
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:15,510
survive nearly everyone else is gonna

977
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:18,210
die right so the motivation for you to

978
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,690
go out of Africa is zero right but your

979
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,480
motivation to into Africa is enormous

980
00:36:29,590 --> 00:36:26,400
right because you're being pushed along

981
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:29,600
by like bleak hellscape conditions and

982
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:31,680
exactly at this point we see the African

983
00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:34,680
genomes we see these haplotypes appear

984
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:36,060
right in the African jima

985
00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:38,490
because the people have crossed from

986
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:41,670
Eurasia they have fled into Africa over

987
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:44,010
the bab-el-mandeb straits and we first

988
00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:46,710
detect this this new genome in in

989
00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:49,470
Africans in East Africa at 70,000 years

990
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,840
ago because these are people fleeing

991
00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:54,240
into Africa who are mating with the

992
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:56,430
local population right and this is just

993
00:37:01,340 --> 00:36:58,980
common sense logic and as we don't have

994
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:01,350
that archaic DNA there is no argument

995
00:37:04,850 --> 00:37:03,630
against what I'm saying and so so people

996
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:04,860
tell it yeah but but but haven't they

997
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:06,060
got this like no they haven't got the

998
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:08,280
ancient DNA he's always been spurned is

999
00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:10,140
that yeah DNA proof no it doesn't prove

1000
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:12,390
it if you were eight thousand your DNA

1001
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:14,040
you can prove where that person was

1002
00:37:18,590 --> 00:37:16,260
eight thousand years ago and no further

1003
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:18,600
back what what about some of the

1004
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:21,540
findings that people have used artefacts

1005
00:37:27,110 --> 00:37:25,050
to try and date to either Homo erectus

1006
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:27,120
Neanderthal or some other branch of

1007
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:28,740
humanity within different parts of the

1008
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:30,570
world such as the San Diego findings

1009
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:32,220
which are being dated to about a hundred

1010
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:32,700
and thirty

1011
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:34,890
thousand years is there you know

1012
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,599
anything that can explain that because

1013
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:38,400
you know the standard model which

1014
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:40,440
obviously is becoming less and less

1015
00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:42,839
credible per day which is migration over

1016
00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:45,030
the Bering Strait during the night Hren

1017
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:46,740
last right before the Younger Dryas

1018
00:37:54,609 --> 00:37:49,890
period it seems that it would have been

1019
00:37:57,319 --> 00:37:54,619
fairly difficult and for for somebody to

1020
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:57,329
well I'm gonna say I don't know how

1021
00:37:59,720 --> 00:37:58,650
advanced we were you know I don't know

1022
00:38:00,920 --> 00:37:59,730
how advanced you word you know ten

1023
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:00,930
thousand years ago let alone a hundred

1024
00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:04,140
thousand years ago yeah if one of the

1025
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,390
prevailing theories is migration over

1026
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,640
boat and island hopping and using the

1027
00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:10,800
the currents within the Pacific Ocean

1028
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:14,040
how would that explain at least in your

1029
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:17,099
view findings in Western North America

1030
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:20,640
of artifacts and possibly dating 230,000

1031
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:23,040
years ago when yeah according to your

1032
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:24,599
theory there may not have been migration

1033
00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:26,810
to that part of the world at that point

1034
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:29,430
no I'm not surprised by their being

1035
00:38:33,410 --> 00:38:31,020
migrations that part the world again if

1036
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:33,420
we go back to Homo erectus at 1.8

1037
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:36,030
million years ago right you know if homo

1038
00:38:40,309 --> 00:38:38,040
erectus has managed to get all the way

1039
00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:40,319
and he's gone to Spain he's gone all the

1040
00:38:45,410 --> 00:38:42,630
way down to Indonesia like what is

1041
00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:45,420
really stopping that that species moving

1042
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:47,790
away into America for start like I mean

1043
00:38:51,319 --> 00:38:49,770
okay we haven't found huge amounts of

1044
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:51,329
illness but they have found fragments of

1045
00:38:56,359 --> 00:38:52,800
what appeared to be homo erectus girls

1046
00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:56,369
down in Mexico so I mean there's a good

1047
00:39:00,620 --> 00:38:58,260
possibility in my mind the homo erectus

1048
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:00,630
continued to spread and spread into the

1049
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:01,710
Americas going back

1050
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:03,900
who knows how early to be honest I mean

1051
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:05,849
it may have got there you know million

1052
00:39:09,020 --> 00:39:06,390
years ago

1053
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:09,030
there's no real reason why not and then

1054
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,950
after that there's also been you know

1055
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,480
finds as you say you know this vital

1056
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:14,400
later on we have the ones vastest master

1057
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:16,140
CLO or something in mexico the

1058
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:18,450
controversial site there where they did

1059
00:39:22,099 --> 00:39:20,339
they found evidence that humans had been

1060
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,109
at the site about two hundred thousand

1061
00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:24,720
years ago and the archaeologists just

1062
00:39:27,170 --> 00:39:26,579
wouldn't accept their careers were

1063
00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:27,180
ruined

1064
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:29,430
it destroyed people's careers because

1065
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:31,050
you know you can't have people here at

1066
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:32,910
that time the geologist was saying well

1067
00:39:36,770 --> 00:39:34,530
look you know we've done the science and

1068
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:36,780
the samples you've given us suggest

1069
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:38,010
they're there two hundred three hundred

1070
00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:39,810
thousand years ago and the

1071
00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:41,550
archaeologists who are not scientists

1072
00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:43,740
quite frankly you know joel is like

1073
00:39:47,730 --> 00:39:45,980
geology is a real science

1074
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:47,740
who doesn't quite stand the difference

1075
00:39:52,210 --> 00:39:50,270
geologists go to their lab right

1076
00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:52,220
they run the tests on the stones at

1077
00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:54,740
nicosia when they formed they can see

1078
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:56,780
you know when certain light was last

1079
00:40:00,849 --> 00:39:58,490
exposed you know they do real hard

1080
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:00,859
science okay if a geologist is telling

1081
00:40:04,329 --> 00:40:02,570
you something I think you should listen

1082
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:04,339
to him if an archaeologist starts

1083
00:40:07,780 --> 00:40:05,810
telling well I'm theorizing that based

1084
00:40:09,730 --> 00:40:07,790
on the information I have and in

1085
00:40:10,930 --> 00:40:09,740
conjecture is severe but that's not

1086
00:40:12,940 --> 00:40:10,940
science that's like what I do

1087
00:40:15,310 --> 00:40:12,950
yeah I can look at information and I can

1088
00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:15,320
tell you what I think it means and I do

1089
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:16,700
that I don't have a degree right that's

1090
00:40:20,770 --> 00:40:19,160
the duty in me an archaeologist if it's

1091
00:40:22,569 --> 00:40:20,780
not typically that that the

1092
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:22,579
archaeologist is a hard scientist right

1093
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:24,910
because he's like Social Sciences so

1094
00:40:29,890 --> 00:40:27,920
really the geologist in my mind were

1095
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:29,900
accurate and the site was probably two

1096
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:31,730
hundred thousand years old and it's just

1097
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:33,230
been you know buried and now they just

1098
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:35,000
don't talk about it so that they've

1099
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,010
known for a long time that there was

1100
00:40:42,099 --> 00:40:39,200
evidence of early humans in the Americas

1101
00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:42,109
going back like the least or 200,000

1102
00:40:45,730 --> 00:40:43,640
years and as I said they've had

1103
00:40:47,890 --> 00:40:45,740
fragments of Homo erectus girls down in

1104
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:47,900
Mexico and skulls that have homo erectus

1105
00:40:51,730 --> 00:40:50,000
features down as far the Ecuador and

1106
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:51,740
other parts of South America so I think

1107
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:54,290
there's an untold story there of a much

1108
00:40:58,750 --> 00:40:56,450
earlier you know waves of colonization

1109
00:41:01,450 --> 00:40:58,760
of the Americas and that will eventually

1110
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:01,460
come out obviously this hundred thousand

1111
00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:03,170
year old find you know he's starting to

1112
00:41:05,650 --> 00:41:04,670
push that boundary but I think some

1113
00:41:07,089 --> 00:41:05,660
point someone's gonna say well what

1114
00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:07,099
about that that you know what I think it

1115
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:08,990
was a MacIntyre yeah and a heron you

1116
00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:10,310
know what about her work what about you

1117
00:41:13,809 --> 00:41:12,260
know the evidence in the investors can

1118
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:13,819
know that we have that's got to come

1119
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:15,410
back at some point because I think it's

1120
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:17,510
nuts that that that has just been swept

1121
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:18,890
under the carpet especially now that

1122
00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:20,329
we're finding these other sites that

1123
00:41:25,690 --> 00:41:23,150
would validate it right so yeah I

1124
00:41:27,819 --> 00:41:25,700
totally concur with you know with that

1125
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:27,829
view that there there likely was earlier

1126
00:41:31,870 --> 00:41:30,560
waves and also in terms of the Bering

1127
00:41:34,089 --> 00:41:31,880
Straits thing you know it was always a

1128
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,099
kind of a stupid theory because let's go

1129
00:41:37,569 --> 00:41:36,079
again apply common sense like you know

1130
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:37,579
those parents and stuff are you gonna

1131
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:39,770
like take your family and just walk out

1132
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:41,900
into the ice for no frickin reason at

1133
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:44,690
all and it's like ah over there maybe

1134
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:46,790
there's something beyond the ice you

1135
00:41:50,829 --> 00:41:49,369
know like ice kills you yeah typically

1136
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:50,839
you avoid the ice I mean let you look

1137
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,520
very specialized you know same you have

1138
00:41:56,109 --> 00:41:54,319
young you eight sister here over time

1139
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:56,119
they've specialized if you're migrating

1140
00:41:59,059 --> 00:41:57,150
and you're me

1141
00:42:01,549 --> 00:41:59,069
up from say Asia and it's been pretty

1142
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,559
cool nice and you know it was warm you

1143
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:03,359
know and you get to this ice and you

1144
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:05,640
just like what is your driver to just

1145
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:08,640
walk out into the ice you know it's it's

1146
00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:10,619
not logical and it's not reasonable and

1147
00:42:15,380 --> 00:42:12,630
I think at beginning of that theory they

1148
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:15,390
should have said well look you know is

1149
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:17,940
this at all sensible and they would have

1150
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:19,770
looked each other said like no no no no

1151
00:42:23,809 --> 00:42:22,140
freaky way man nobody would do that and

1152
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:23,819
now we know they didn't do that well you

1153
00:42:27,319 --> 00:42:25,710
look at this one you're a dad have you

1154
00:42:29,180 --> 00:42:27,329
ever gone on a trip and like not even

1155
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,190
bother to open up your GPS and you said

1156
00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:30,960
oh look [\h__\h] I know the way there

1157
00:42:35,029 --> 00:42:33,240
it's okay we'll find it just like let's

1158
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:35,039
head west and we're good like the other

1159
00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:37,500
side you know the moon's up there I

1160
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:44,190
could find direction and I mean now we

1161
00:42:47,059 --> 00:42:45,599
know that people have boats I mean

1162
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:47,069
that's the bottom line I'm ganna is that

1163
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:49,740
look we know the ancient humans had

1164
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:51,720
boats and like they sailed across

1165
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:54,569
because because that's not that hard

1166
00:42:59,480 --> 00:42:57,210
when you sail along next to the ice and

1167
00:43:02,269 --> 00:42:59,490
you stop and you kill the odd you know

1168
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:02,279
walrus or bear or whatever it is you see

1169
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:04,680
you know and you fish and you said you

1170
00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:05,880
drink the water from melting ice

1171
00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:08,339
certainly you have a viable route into

1172
00:43:12,529 --> 00:43:10,950
the Americas right and now they start

1173
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,539
accepting they're talking about these um

1174
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:14,880
these was at the corner of the corridor

1175
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:16,470
following these little islands and stuff

1176
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:18,390
across so they're starting to realize

1177
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,240
and again we know that there was

1178
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,000
evidence of some kind of ability to move

1179
00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:26,400
across water going back for hundreds of

1180
00:43:29,900 --> 00:43:27,750
thousands of years because we've got

1181
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:29,910
we've got these hominids now in Flores

1182
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:32,760
down in Indonesia right who are on who

1183
00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:34,859
have reached Flores a million years ago

1184
00:43:39,049 --> 00:43:36,750
and you have to make like multiple sea

1185
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:39,059
crossings to get there so even if you

1186
00:43:42,769 --> 00:43:41,130
somehow floated accidentally I mean

1187
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:42,779
you've still have crossed a significant

1188
00:43:47,779 --> 00:43:45,089
body of water and survived so we know

1189
00:43:51,289 --> 00:43:47,789
that sea routes are more viable than ice

1190
00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:51,299
routes right so when we reassess and

1191
00:43:53,390 --> 00:43:52,619
we've also notes that se down in the

1192
00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:53,400
Mediterranean

1193
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:54,990
there's Islands there with tools on them

1194
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:56,730
that can only be reached again by

1195
00:44:00,730 --> 00:43:59,220
multiple journeys at sea and these go

1196
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:00,740
back a couple hundred thousand years

1197
00:44:05,630 --> 00:44:03,210
there's another one down aster kata off

1198
00:44:07,339 --> 00:44:05,640
the Horn of Africa they think is perhaps

1199
00:44:08,539 --> 00:44:07,349
five hundred thousand years old to a

1200
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:08,549
million years old the site there

1201
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:10,530
multiple stone tools and Socotra

1202
00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:12,750
well out into the sea and it's like he's

1203
00:44:15,590 --> 00:44:13,860
like a hundred miles or something out

1204
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,600
into the sea so you're not floating on a

1205
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:18,240
log to socotra you know so somebody has

1206
00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:19,770
managed to somehow put together

1207
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,320
something that carried a few people so

1208
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:24,720
again we stand to rethink the entire map

1209
00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:26,850
of Hamelin migrations because once you

1210
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:28,230
factor in boats instead of just put

1211
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:29,460
little arrows you know they had to go

1212
00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:31,260
all the way up here on the map let's go

1213
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:31,950
all the way over

1214
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:33,480
no jot their bow and they just sailed

1215
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:34,740
across you know it is completely

1216
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,510
different cuz when you look at say the

1217
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:38,400
tip of like the south of Spain and you

1218
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,530
look at Morocco for example pretty damn

1219
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:43,200
close by see if you're walking it's an

1220
00:44:46,820 --> 00:44:44,850
enormous distance and I need to walk

1221
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:46,830
from the south of Spain all the way

1222
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:49,170
around you know through Europe down you

1223
00:44:53,420 --> 00:44:50,520
know into the Middle East and interact

1224
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:53,430
because you just sail across to Morocco

1225
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:55,650
or from rockheads to Spain that's like

1226
00:45:00,020 --> 00:44:58,410
you know a few hours at sea so I think

1227
00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:00,030
there's a lot of rethinking has to be

1228
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,260
done in some these models because I'm

1229
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:02,880
really suspicious that when you see say

1230
00:45:06,980 --> 00:45:05,130
important sites in Morocco and important

1231
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:06,990
sites in the south of Spain and we're

1232
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:09,060
talking about these vast migrations and

1233
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:10,920
I'm looking at little tiny stretch of

1234
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:13,110
water and I'm telling you I think that

1235
00:45:15,830 --> 00:45:14,490
you know in most of these cases were

1236
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,840
going to find that the people just

1237
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:17,760
sailed across and the same at the babble

1238
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:19,710
men dive and stuff you can see that it's

1239
00:45:23,810 --> 00:45:21,000
pitched off to mix between the Middle

1240
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:23,820
East and East Africa a very short body

1241
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:25,770
of water that you can just sail across

1242
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,110
on a simple raft you know like a bamboo

1243
00:45:32,060 --> 00:45:30,240
raft or something will do it so I mean

1244
00:45:33,590 --> 00:45:32,070
this changes the way that we think about

1245
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:33,600
these migrations because for a long time

1246
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:35,610
we've always you know looked at how vast

1247
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:38,130
the world is as we know today you know

1248
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:40,190
it's much smaller if you can sail Oh

1249
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:42,390
even walking like that this is also

1250
00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:43,740
directly over the the Strait of

1251
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:45,000
Gibraltar if you want to go to Morocco

1252
00:45:51,740 --> 00:45:48,930
to Spain now it's about 244 hours about

1253
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:51,750
12,000 kilometres or 1,200 kilometres

1254
00:45:58,730 --> 00:45:55,440
rather it's it's the the the the joke of

1255
00:46:01,760 --> 00:45:58,740
why did it take you know Moses 40 or 40

1256
00:46:03,140 --> 00:46:01,770
years to get from Egypt to Israel where

1257
00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:03,150
it's like only from like six days

1258
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:08,220
walking time between the two places it's

1259
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,250
a long time to taste a wavy routes well

1260
00:46:14,930 --> 00:46:13,440
yeah like you know it's again it's the

1261
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:14,940
whole while the sun's up in the sky we

1262
00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:16,380
don't have a map we'll just walk around

1263
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:18,750
at the same rock we've gone by three

1264
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:20,460
times already no no I'm telling you

1265
00:46:27,110 --> 00:46:22,590
we're going the right place

1266
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:27,120
well what about the some of the more I'm

1267
00:46:34,510 --> 00:46:31,010
gonna say contentious finds such as the

1268
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:34,520
Paluxy River findings of dinosaur

1269
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:37,710
footprints mixed with supposed human

1270
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:39,060
footprints some people have said that

1271
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:40,410
they are humans some people have said

1272
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:43,890
that they are just three toed dinosaur

1273
00:46:49,580 --> 00:46:47,160
feet that have been kind of washed away

1274
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:49,590
by time although it is fairly convincing

1275
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:51,420
looking at some of these footprints

1276
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:52,890
which are side by side with apparent

1277
00:46:56,830 --> 00:46:54,330
dinosaur footprints that they look

1278
00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:56,840
fairly hominid

1279
00:47:02,480 --> 00:46:59,400
yeah they sort of look very hominid but

1280
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,490
again you know well because I I have to

1281
00:47:06,580 --> 00:47:05,280
sort of go with the guy that he's an

1282
00:47:08,570 --> 00:47:06,590
expert you know because if the

1283
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:08,580
paleontologists and geologists look at

1284
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,340
it and if they say look you know we can

1285
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:13,200
match this with an eroded dinosaur

1286
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:15,690
footprint he's very hard for me as the

1287
00:47:19,550 --> 00:47:18,030
layperson then to argue that you know I

1288
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:19,560
mean I can I can say that yeah it looks

1289
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:20,730
kind of to me like

1290
00:47:23,570 --> 00:47:22,260
but one of the things about that so he

1291
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,580
looks kind of me like a foot pick with a

1292
00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:25,440
shoe on right and that to me is kind of

1293
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,120
problematic because because what we'd

1294
00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:29,880
expect to see is like five toes you know

1295
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:31,500
that and what we tend to see at these

1296
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,450
sites is it looks more like a shoe print

1297
00:47:37,850 --> 00:47:36,240
of a person and that that to me makes a

1298
00:47:39,350 --> 00:47:37,860
bit suspicious because I mean it's like

1299
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:39,360
well that looks more like an eroded

1300
00:47:44,060 --> 00:47:41,640
dinosaur print because of the fact we

1301
00:47:45,980 --> 00:47:44,070
don't have a bare foot with five toes

1302
00:47:46,490 --> 00:47:45,990
where we can say well that's a human

1303
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:46,500
footprint

1304
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:47,880
you know because because when we see

1305
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,880
those like elsewhere we know that trying

1306
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:52,440
to be a good example but but certainly

1307
00:47:55,580 --> 00:47:53,970
oh there are human footprints you know

1308
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:55,590
like the way sorry down in Crete so

1309
00:47:58,220 --> 00:47:56,970
everything that they found recently you

1310
00:48:00,920 --> 00:47:58,230
know there's like five million year old

1311
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,930
whenever footprints of a hominin you

1312
00:48:04,220 --> 00:48:02,880
know but the reason why is identified as

1313
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:04,230
a hominin it's because they've managed

1314
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:06,270
to match the toe marks you know and they

1315
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,960
can see that this is a human print but

1316
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,760
when you've got just the sort of that

1317
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:14,160
shape of like a human shoe you know it

1318
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:15,450
makes it really difficult you know

1319
00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:17,130
because then you say well then you have

1320
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:18,950
to factoring they must have had shoes

1321
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:21,090
and then you're still having to build a

1322
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:23,550
case with evidence you haven't got to

1323
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:25,950
support it you know I mean so so it

1324
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:27,780
makes it really everybody looked at like

1325
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:29,730
out of place objects and I've looked

1326
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,020
where ever looked carefully I used to

1327
00:48:35,060 --> 00:48:32,400
believe in pretty much all of them you

1328
00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:35,070
know the hammer in the stone the prints

1329
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:37,350
next dinosaur all and when I look at the

1330
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,780
stories carefully I've debunked all of

1331
00:48:43,310 --> 00:48:42,000
them that I've looked at right so I mean

1332
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:43,320
not convinced but the same time I'm

1333
00:48:48,380 --> 00:48:45,270
open-minded that we may have had a

1334
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:48,390
human-like ancestor alive in those times

1335
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,130
but I just I haven't seen good evidence

1336
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:53,040
for it okay let's let's talk about those

1337
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:56,090
for a second because I big fan of parts

1338
00:48:59,710 --> 00:48:58,290
just because you know again there are

1339
00:49:03,170 --> 00:48:59,720
some of them are interesting obviously

1340
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:03,180
some are a little out there you know

1341
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:06,510
interesting being yeah and Trust so

1342
00:49:08,330 --> 00:49:07,530
remember what it was

1343
00:49:20,049 --> 00:49:08,340
the

1344
00:49:23,890 --> 00:49:20,059
made by Archimedes which was essentially

1345
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:23,900
used as a navigation device very very

1346
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,640
advanced like that you know that can be

1347
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:27,440
traced to a couple like 2,000 years ago

1348
00:49:33,609 --> 00:49:30,650
or 2500 years ago it's you know they had

1349
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,619
they had machinery then even in in Egypt

1350
00:49:39,900 --> 00:49:36,079
during ancient times during the Roman

1351
00:49:42,849 --> 00:49:39,910
Empire you know a lot of the temples had

1352
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,859
mechanized statues like the gods would

1353
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,720
move because they were on like a pulley

1354
00:49:49,089 --> 00:49:46,640
system of some kind so they had the tips

1355
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:49,099
of mechanisms have been around but we

1356
00:49:53,620 --> 00:49:51,920
get to things like I'm trying to see a

1357
00:49:56,849 --> 00:49:53,630
good one here well you know let's talk

1358
00:50:00,220 --> 00:49:56,859
about the hammer stuck in the stone

1359
00:50:01,299 --> 00:50:00,230
which is one that everyone knows I was

1360
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:01,309
gonna bring that up here on screen

1361
00:50:05,729 --> 00:50:02,930
because I couldn't do that yeah so

1362
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:05,739
that's that's the hammer on on stone

1363
00:50:12,849 --> 00:50:11,569
what exactly I should say considering

1364
00:50:14,349 --> 00:50:12,859
the people have said that it was found

1365
00:50:16,269 --> 00:50:14,359
within the strata of rock that was maybe

1366
00:50:18,759 --> 00:50:16,279
hundreds of millions of years old how

1367
00:50:22,569 --> 00:50:18,769
did you go about debunking it but

1368
00:50:24,789 --> 00:50:22,579
without yeah and wife as the Joyce was

1369
00:50:28,479 --> 00:50:24,799
saying that actually firstly there

1370
00:50:30,190 --> 00:50:28,489
wasn't attached to any strata so so

1371
00:50:32,380 --> 00:50:30,200
first we couldn't say was part of that

1372
00:50:34,420 --> 00:50:32,390
strata that was nearby that was the

1373
00:50:37,569 --> 00:50:34,430
first point secondly said actually the

1374
00:50:39,549 --> 00:50:37,579
day before the strata is wildly wrong as

1375
00:50:41,739 --> 00:50:39,559
it's given online they said the dates

1376
00:50:43,210 --> 00:50:41,749
are completely different and the next

1377
00:50:46,839 --> 00:50:43,220
point they said is that we know that

1378
00:50:49,390 --> 00:50:46,849
accretions like this can form you know

1379
00:50:52,779 --> 00:50:49,400
fairly fast and you think about that

1380
00:50:54,190 --> 00:50:52,789
won't a like I remember when I was

1381
00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:54,200
working in construction for a while and

1382
00:50:56,829 --> 00:50:55,640
I remember we had to like take out

1383
00:50:58,210 --> 00:50:56,839
boiler and that you know we can you

1384
00:51:00,789 --> 00:50:58,220
smash out the boiler and you have rocks

1385
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:00,799
inside right in your boiler and if you

1386
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,450
found of those stones just lying on the

1387
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:04,160
floor it looks like a stone you know

1388
00:51:07,539 --> 00:51:06,170
there are these accretions and they can

1389
00:51:10,029 --> 00:51:07,549
form very fast when you have a lot

1390
00:51:12,819 --> 00:51:10,039
calcium or a lot of petite particulate

1391
00:51:14,890 --> 00:51:12,829
stone matter in water it accretes and

1392
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,900
forms a concrete right and these these

1393
00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:17,599
concrete's can form in relatively fast

1394
00:51:21,849 --> 00:51:19,640
especially in geological time spans but

1395
00:51:24,339 --> 00:51:21,859
you know over over decades or centuries

1396
00:51:27,099 --> 00:51:24,349
you know so unless it been actually

1397
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,109
attached to the main body of stone

1398
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:29,359
there's no way to say it was part of

1399
00:51:33,789 --> 00:51:31,729
that older stone right and the other

1400
00:51:34,690 --> 00:51:33,799
problem is that it's found by just a

1401
00:51:36,609 --> 00:51:34,700
couple of passers-by

1402
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:36,619
right who have no scientific knowledge

1403
00:51:42,759 --> 00:51:40,190
at all of how geology you know works you

1404
00:51:44,289 --> 00:51:42,769
know how creations forms no scientists

1405
00:51:45,759 --> 00:51:44,299
were brought to have a look you know and

1406
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:45,769
identify on site

1407
00:51:49,989 --> 00:51:47,690
you know these an object which is then

1408
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:49,999
adopted by the Christian Scientists

1409
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,609
right by these by basically

1410
00:51:54,759 --> 00:51:53,599
fundamentalists and the oldest science

1411
00:51:56,410 --> 00:51:54,769
it's really there you go and look at who

1412
00:51:58,449 --> 00:51:56,420
the people are they're they're arguing

1413
00:52:00,400 --> 00:51:58,459
the science they are fundamentalist with

1414
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:00,410
fake degrees from these Christian

1415
00:52:03,819 --> 00:52:02,690
universities why telling us geology

1416
00:52:05,739 --> 00:52:03,829
people who will tell you that the earth

1417
00:52:08,019 --> 00:52:05,749
6,000 years old and telling you the

1418
00:52:10,539 --> 00:52:08,029
geology behind the formation of that of

1419
00:52:12,339 --> 00:52:10,549
that accretion so you know it starts

1420
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:12,349
just crumble apart in your hands as if

1421
00:52:15,729 --> 00:52:13,849
it's there been accretion it's a sand

1422
00:52:17,140 --> 00:52:15,739
because you know that was the problem

1423
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:17,150
and you know at first it sounds really

1424
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:18,529
good because again he's slightly out of

1425
00:52:21,339 --> 00:52:19,670
Africa if I say to you first

1426
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:21,349
well what 70 thousand years ago people

1427
00:52:24,489 --> 00:52:22,729
wore down Africa and then I start

1428
00:52:26,229 --> 00:52:24,499
explaining the other stuff right so if I

1429
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:26,239
say - well this Hammond was part of this

1430
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:28,430
is old a stone and then it was this and

1431
00:52:31,569 --> 00:52:29,930
this and this because at the first bit

1432
00:52:33,849 --> 00:52:31,579
you've bought my first bit of the lie

1433
00:52:36,999 --> 00:52:33,859
where I say it was part of that stone

1434
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:37,009
and I offer you no proof whatsoever that

1435
00:52:42,279 --> 00:52:39,890
that was ever joined to that older bit

1436
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:42,289
of stone and then I roll from there with

1437
00:52:45,819 --> 00:52:44,209
whatever I want to say and that's the

1438
00:52:47,709 --> 00:52:45,829
problem with a lot of these new parts is

1439
00:52:49,479 --> 00:52:47,719
that the beginning business was a web it

1440
00:52:51,189 --> 00:52:49,489
was a tackle when it was this and you

1441
00:52:52,839 --> 00:52:51,199
look at any fact there's no evidence for

1442
00:52:53,859 --> 00:52:52,849
that opening statement and that yeah

1443
00:52:55,989 --> 00:52:53,869
everything after that would be

1444
00:52:59,739 --> 00:52:55,999
believable if that opening statement was

1445
00:53:01,539 --> 00:52:59,749
true but there's no evidence for it one

1446
00:53:03,459 --> 00:53:01,549
of the ones that always surprised me and

1447
00:53:07,029 --> 00:53:03,469
was the what I call the the space potato

1448
00:53:09,339 --> 00:53:07,039
it's the you know the the the potato

1449
00:53:11,949 --> 00:53:09,349
that looks to have an electrical plug in

1450
00:53:13,930 --> 00:53:11,959
it which was found by William I can't

1451
00:53:15,789 --> 00:53:13,940
even pronounce his last name it will

1452
00:53:17,289 --> 00:53:15,799
show if it mispronounced a name everyone

1453
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:17,299
has to take a shot so I don't wanna get

1454
00:53:23,019 --> 00:53:19,940
yeah if I start with this they'll people

1455
00:53:26,589 --> 00:53:23,029
be drinking all night yeah you know like

1456
00:53:28,839 --> 00:53:26,599
it to me it seems that it's just a rock

1457
00:53:30,130 --> 00:53:28,849
that somebody stuck a plug into and I

1458
00:53:31,809 --> 00:53:30,140
can't yell out right it's like there's

1459
00:53:32,859 --> 00:53:31,819
nothing else can lift let's crack it

1460
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:32,869
open no I don't think anyone's ever

1461
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,130
cracked it open to see what's inside of

1462
00:53:38,349 --> 00:53:35,839
it and I'm pretty sure that if you did

1463
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:38,359
that you know you just say yeah that's

1464
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,450
it

1465
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:42,000
so another microchipping stone and then

1466
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:43,980
you look at anything well it looks quite

1467
00:53:49,610 --> 00:53:47,370
like a leaf pan fossilized into stone

1468
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:49,620
it's a microchip you some microchip you

1469
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:51,660
know it's like well I don't know I see

1470
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:53,220
those kind of patterns on leaves you

1471
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:54,810
know stuff like that where you know

1472
00:53:57,890 --> 00:53:56,730
these assertions have just come up front

1473
00:54:00,140 --> 00:53:57,900
but then if you took it to a like a

1474
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:00,150
geologist or paleontology and said like

1475
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:01,890
please can you like give an independent

1476
00:54:05,330 --> 00:54:03,630
evaluation of this and most other people

1477
00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:05,340
don't want to do that and the reason why

1478
00:54:09,470 --> 00:54:06,630
they don't do that is because they know

1479
00:54:10,700 --> 00:54:09,480
the story will crumble apart instead you

1480
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:10,710
know they have something special you

1481
00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:12,570
know I've got this special object but

1482
00:54:16,460 --> 00:54:14,520
you know we they sort of know if a

1483
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:16,470
scientist came along and looked at it

1484
00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:18,510
okay good independent allegation he's

1485
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:19,950
probably trying to say well it's you

1486
00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:22,440
know I'm sorry sir but this is just a

1487
00:54:26,510 --> 00:54:25,350
common you know fossil or and this is

1488
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:26,520
where I you know I think I've become

1489
00:54:29,180 --> 00:54:27,660
more sketch because I've realized that

1490
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:29,190
until you have a geologist or a

1491
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:31,260
scientist or some look at these all we

1492
00:54:36,260 --> 00:54:33,750
have in it is usually like a layman's

1493
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:36,270
opinion and the layman doesn't really

1494
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,040
know geology like I don't really I

1495
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,920
didn't study geology you know so I've

1496
00:54:44,300 --> 00:54:42,720
had to admit that I don't have the

1497
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:44,310
ability to assess these objects and

1498
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,980
unless somebody who does looks at them

1499
00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:48,720
we should be really skeptical when we

1500
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:50,790
see a headline saying 20 million year

1501
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:52,770
old you know object or ten million year

1502
00:54:56,660 --> 00:54:54,930
old footprint because the only person

1503
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:56,670
who can give you that information is a

1504
00:55:01,820 --> 00:54:59,400
geologist right nobody else I'm sorry

1505
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:01,830
about a Christian who just believes it

1506
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:03,570
that's no matter how strong his belief

1507
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,330
is that doesn't make it so you know and

1508
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:07,920
that we do actually need people to say

1509
00:55:12,590 --> 00:55:10,050
well look take these objects to an

1510
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:12,600
independent review and in fact the stone

1511
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:14,610
in the hammer the scientist repeatedly

1512
00:55:19,460 --> 00:55:17,160
asked could I just like you know look at

1513
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:19,470
it and I'm telling you like nobody is I

1514
00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:21,570
think is this and this and after like

1515
00:55:24,830 --> 00:55:22,830
years I've been trying to get the guy to

1516
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:24,840
bring her he never did because he knew

1517
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:27,090
if he took it to him that his whole you

1518
00:55:30,650 --> 00:55:28,770
know famous hammer thing was just the

1519
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,660
case would collapse and I don't think

1520
00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:32,400
that shows the kind of dishonesty in

1521
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:33,840
some of these things he said if you

1522
00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:35,490
really like the view and I believed we

1523
00:55:39,350 --> 00:55:37,320
had that object we wouldn't have a

1524
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:39,360
problem taking it to the scientists

1525
00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:40,680
saying well what is your opinion mate

1526
00:55:44,540 --> 00:55:42,750
because I don't know if this is real and

1527
00:55:46,430 --> 00:55:44,550
instead the people hide them in their

1528
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:46,440
house and just charge kick excuse can

1529
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:48,300
never look and stuff like that so you

1530
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:50,970
know that's it's kind of suspicious you

1531
00:55:54,140 --> 00:55:51,990
know what does the Mount of

1532
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:54,150
a place artifacts that you think are a

1533
00:55:57,350 --> 00:55:56,040
little more unexplainable or may have a

1534
00:56:00,590 --> 00:55:57,360
little more credence to them that are

1535
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:00,600
actually you know that at first glance

1536
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:02,760
most people wouldn't consider are there

1537
00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:05,400
any that lend to that or do you think

1538
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:07,740
they're all you know pretty much you

1539
00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:08,760
you've debunked them all you think

1540
00:56:13,850 --> 00:56:11,460
they're all kind of hokey and it's I

1541
00:56:16,550 --> 00:56:13,860
would you know there's always one at

1542
00:56:20,060 --> 00:56:16,560
least that I think that most people tend

1543
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:20,070
to not be able to explain I'm yeah I

1544
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:22,310
can't think of one off the top my head V

1545
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:26,760
well there's well there's a it's not a

1546
00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:29,220
lottery I can show you but I mean I've

1547
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:30,990
got a book here I forgot what's the name

1548
00:56:36,859 --> 00:56:34,500
somewhere here anyway so boban buddhist

1549
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:36,869
book right this is guy he's a kind of

1550
00:56:40,310 --> 00:56:38,760
he's a revered teacher the books not

1551
00:56:42,260 --> 00:56:40,320
about like new parts or anything off

1552
00:56:45,140 --> 00:56:42,270
it's about his life and about philosophy

1553
00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:45,150
and stuff but in it he talks about an

1554
00:56:48,859 --> 00:56:47,310
account where he's one of his own

1555
00:56:51,500 --> 00:56:48,869
courses considered like a you know a

1556
00:56:55,100 --> 00:56:51,510
high revered meditation master in tibet

1557
00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:55,110
and he asked this prophetic dream that

1558
00:56:59,599 --> 00:56:57,240
he's going to he's going to find like

1559
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,609
Eva a hidden text or hidden object and

1560
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,200
this is so mean span tradition is well

1561
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:02,640
known that every now and again a

1562
00:57:06,370 --> 00:57:04,770
meditation master certainly knows where

1563
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:06,380
an ancient text or something is hidden

1564
00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,910
and they'll go along and they will

1565
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:10,680
reveal it you know because they know oh

1566
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:11,910
in the past a lot of these things have

1567
00:57:14,330 --> 00:57:12,810
been hidden objects have been

1568
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:14,340
deliberately hidden texts are

1569
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:16,530
deliberately hidden and that people in a

1570
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:18,270
high meditative state and in also states

1571
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,730
of consciousness they suddenly see the

1572
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:23,280
locations right and so he gets this this

1573
00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:24,660
feeling that you know that there's this

1574
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:27,240
object so talks to this the author of

1575
00:57:30,109 --> 00:57:28,260
the book who's he's like you know his

1576
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:30,119
nephew and says look you know what

1577
00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:32,130
should I do you know should we just like

1578
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:33,840
privately go and collect you and see

1579
00:57:37,340 --> 00:57:35,609
what it is and the guy says well no look

1580
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:37,350
if we bring a load of people along it's

1581
00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:38,850
a validation for them of something

1582
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,619
special and that you know you'll help

1583
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:42,720
increase their their conviction in our

1584
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:44,850
in the teachings of Buddhism and stuff

1585
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:46,650
so so he said yeah all right then so

1586
00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:48,180
they like gather a whole big group of

1587
00:57:51,770 --> 00:57:50,670
people and remember books not about this

1588
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:51,780
so he's not doing this as some sort

1589
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:53,880
claim to get to parts people involved or

1590
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:55,290
anything you know this is something in

1591
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:56,970
an obscure book the most people probably

1592
00:58:00,590 --> 00:57:58,410
unless you're interested BAM Buddhism

1593
00:58:01,970 --> 00:58:00,600
would never read and so he takes along

1594
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:01,980
this group and they go off into the

1595
00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:04,680
mountains and he says look it's up there

1596
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:05,260
you know

1597
00:58:09,300 --> 00:58:06,610
up in that where you can just see a

1598
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,310
cliff face he says that's where I saw

1599
00:58:13,650 --> 00:58:11,680
where the object is and he takes like a

1600
00:58:15,810 --> 00:58:13,660
pig like a little ice axe and he froze

1601
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:15,820
it and they said it sticks into the wall

1602
00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:17,680
so like obviously it shouldn't stick

1603
00:58:21,810 --> 00:58:19,660
into the wall so they get a guy up on a

1604
00:58:23,700 --> 00:58:21,820
ladder and he goes up there he pulls it

1605
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:23,710
away and this wall just crumbles away

1606
00:58:28,350 --> 00:58:26,500
and it's clearly artificial and and

1607
00:58:31,710 --> 00:58:28,360
basically they extract from the hole

1608
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:31,720
what he describes as a melon sized white

1609
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:34,480
orb glowing with light right which they

1610
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:36,910
bring down from as they bring down in a

1611
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:38,410
cloth the guy says don't touch it

1612
00:58:42,090 --> 00:58:40,090
so they roll it with the axe into a

1613
00:58:44,250 --> 00:58:42,100
cloth and carry it down so whatever is

1614
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:44,260
he's not safe to touch it it's something

1615
00:58:49,350 --> 00:58:46,900
I've seen something odd and special they

1616
00:58:51,060 --> 00:58:49,360
bring it down he says well I'll put it

1617
00:58:53,340 --> 00:58:51,070
away for now until it till it's the

1618
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:53,350
right time to do something with it

1619
00:58:58,140 --> 00:58:55,450
he said put it in a locked box you know

1620
00:59:00,060 --> 00:58:58,150
they seal it wax seals everything put it

1621
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:00,070
away seal it safely and a few months

1622
00:59:03,450 --> 00:59:01,930
later they go to open it it's vanished

1623
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:03,460
without any sign of the seals being

1624
00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:06,400
broken and he says oh the the dakinis

1625
00:59:10,140 --> 00:59:09,070
have taken it away again so me make sure

1626
00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:10,150
that what you will but I think these

1627
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:11,500
things are out there I do think there

1628
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:14,350
are strange objects hidden away probably

1629
00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:17,110
from either a long lost civilization or

1630
00:59:21,060 --> 00:59:19,300
from space visitors whoever I think that

1631
00:59:23,010 --> 00:59:21,070
exists but I think that you know they

1632
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:23,020
are infrequently found and the ones we

1633
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:25,180
know are very poorly evidence or like

1634
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:27,490
these ones where I can't go and see that

1635
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:30,280
but it sounds like you know I don't know

1636
00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:31,750
why us he'd have mentioned it's well

1637
00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:33,220
those stories you think well why mention

1638
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:34,630
it unless you want to just make a surf

1639
00:59:37,140 --> 00:59:36,310
sound strange in a book that's not about

1640
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,150
that at all

1641
00:59:41,310 --> 00:59:39,040
just as a story he remembers when he was

1642
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:41,320
younger seeing this object so those type

1643
00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:42,850
of things do you make me think well hmm

1644
00:59:45,390 --> 00:59:44,260
you know I can't see why the guy would

1645
00:59:46,980 --> 00:59:45,400
have just made that up because if

1646
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:46,990
anything is hurting the rest of his

1647
00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:48,880
argument that he's teaching you start to

1648
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:50,860
say well maybe he's just nuts you know

1649
00:59:54,090 --> 00:59:52,900
so those kind of stories and I guess

1650
00:59:55,470 --> 00:59:54,100
it's like with the abductee accounts

1651
00:59:57,780 --> 00:59:55,480
there's no that you wonder well well why

1652
00:59:59,580 --> 00:59:57,790
does a pilot or someone say you know I

1653
01:00:01,260 --> 00:59:59,590
was respect by aliens when you know all

1654
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,270
it's going to do is cause him problems

1655
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:03,280
you know there's certain stories like

1656
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:05,200
that which I'd say well yeah I'm willing

1657
01:00:08,370 --> 01:00:07,030
to sort of say that that sounds kind of

1658
01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:08,380
believable but I don't what the object

1659
01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:10,510
was you know where it came from but it

1660
01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:12,190
obviously shouldn't be seared into a

1661
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:14,620
mountain face in Tibet and you know it

1662
01:00:17,550 --> 01:00:15,610
sounds really odd

1663
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:17,560
so I'm open-minded about it yeah but I

1664
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:19,010
haven't seen what'd he say

1665
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:21,410
case of an object that someone's got

1666
01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:23,530
right now that is definitely you know

1667
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:26,630
from a lost civilization or from space

1668
01:00:32,620 --> 01:00:28,370
but yeah I suspect that they are out

1669
01:00:35,530 --> 01:00:32,630
there what do you think of tales of lost

1670
01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:35,540
civilizations such as well Atlantis

1671
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,660
there is some credence to at least the

1672
01:00:41,860 --> 01:00:40,400
possibility of a landmass existing in

1673
01:00:42,910 --> 01:00:41,870
the in the middle of the Atlantic I've

1674
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:42,920
discussed it on the show a couple of

1675
01:00:46,450 --> 01:00:45,200
times I know Randall Carlson he's kind

1676
01:00:50,740 --> 01:00:46,460
of kind of the originator of the theory

1677
01:00:53,020 --> 01:00:50,750
which and I know Graham has talked about

1678
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:53,030
it at length with Randall on Joe Rogan

1679
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,090
experience on one of the two or three

1680
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,640
episodes that they were on together one

1681
01:01:05,050 --> 01:01:01,520
that has recently been discussed is mu

1682
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:05,060
which I've looked into but considering

1683
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:06,370
there's only one real source of

1684
01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:08,510
information which is James Church Ward's

1685
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:12,140
account which came out I think was like

1686
01:01:19,060 --> 01:01:15,850
the you know the late 1800s Early 1900s

1687
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:19,070
like do you think that it's a

1688
01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:20,240
possibility or at least there is some

1689
01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:22,340
explanation within the geological record

1690
01:01:27,810 --> 01:01:24,920
on that the genealogical record of there

1691
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:27,820
being some type of mid Pacific

1692
01:01:35,020 --> 01:01:32,210
Polynesian style of larger Island due to

1693
01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:35,030
that may have existed due to low low sea

1694
01:01:38,380 --> 01:01:36,710
levels do you think do you think that is

1695
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:38,390
possible or is there anything within

1696
01:01:43,930 --> 01:01:40,370
your research that has yeah I brought

1697
01:01:46,660 --> 01:01:43,940
that forward well I I tend to failure

1698
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:46,670
them unless to two possibilities in my

1699
01:01:52,420 --> 01:01:50,000
mind the one which is the most evidence

1700
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:52,430
is that we have the massive sea level

1701
01:01:56,170 --> 01:01:54,650
rises you know which not only happened

1702
01:01:58,570 --> 01:01:56,180
12,000 years ago well I've seen it

1703
01:02:00,580 --> 01:01:58,580
intermittently we have huge sea level

1704
01:02:02,530 --> 01:02:00,590
rises huge sea level drops you know so

1705
01:02:03,550 --> 01:02:02,540
and we know that lands are flooded you

1706
01:02:05,020 --> 01:02:03,560
know massive amounts of land

1707
01:02:07,300 --> 01:02:05,030
particularly in the case of Southeast

1708
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:07,310
Asia where we have you know enormous

1709
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:08,960
landmass that was taken by the sea

1710
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:12,050
around Southeast Asia and Indonesia and

1711
01:02:17,950 --> 01:02:15,110
all all the coastlines in Australia you

1712
01:02:19,210 --> 01:02:17,960
know totalling the massive like you know

1713
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:19,220
the small continent if you like you know

1714
01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:21,470
so you know a vast amount of land went

1715
01:02:26,110 --> 01:02:23,150
to the sea so I mean I think a lot of

1716
01:02:29,140 --> 01:02:26,120
the legends if they lost continent to me

1717
01:02:31,150 --> 01:02:29,150
are likely about this are holes and you

1718
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:31,160
know shelves beings you know swallowed

1719
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:31,760
by the sea

1720
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:32,730
certainly the stories have say

1721
01:02:37,310 --> 01:02:35,250
like Atlantis in that period I think

1722
01:02:40,810 --> 01:02:37,320
they obviously relate to this sea level

1723
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:40,820
rises that would be my I suppose my most

1724
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:44,400
scientific based argument was that yeah

1725
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:46,410
it's probably that but from another

1726
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,850
perspective the only other way you can

1727
01:02:53,300 --> 01:02:49,760
explain it you know if there was a

1728
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:53,310
sunken land is some sort of axial pole

1729
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:54,570
shift you know that's if there really

1730
01:02:59,180 --> 01:02:57,450
was a crush displacement you know which

1731
01:03:01,359 --> 01:02:59,190
is obviously the moment that geologists

1732
01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:01,369
say that we just don't think they happen

1733
01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:03,630
I'm on the fence of that I think they

1734
01:03:07,550 --> 01:03:05,400
probably do happen I think they have

1735
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:07,560
probably happened you know I can't make

1736
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:09,930
you a conclusive argument I read a very

1737
01:03:15,650 --> 01:03:11,970
good explanation on Graham Hancock's

1738
01:03:18,109 --> 01:03:15,660
website by an Italian researcher who

1739
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,119
says that look if a common impact did in

1740
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:20,160
just the right speed just the right

1741
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:23,280
angle and it has to be about a kilometer

1742
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:25,410
across he thinks that it could just for

1743
01:03:30,349 --> 01:03:28,410
a moment also be the rotation of the

1744
01:03:32,359 --> 01:03:30,359
earth through the centrifugal forces

1745
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:32,369
basically then he starts to form a new

1746
01:03:35,540 --> 01:03:33,810
equator but it has to be at just the

1747
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:35,550
right point you know just the right way

1748
01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:37,650
and so that even a fairly small comment

1749
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:40,680
could conceivably cause a new equator to

1750
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:42,330
begin to form first with water moving

1751
01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:44,850
because I see Wars no fluid so you start

1752
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:46,470
to have a buildup of water in a new

1753
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,170
place then that itself affects the the

1754
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:50,880
shape of the crust this is the weight of

1755
01:03:54,830 --> 01:03:53,369
the water changes so you get crustal

1756
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:54,840
displacement beginning you know there's

1757
01:03:59,660 --> 01:03:57,330
rippling of the crust and then the magma

1758
01:04:01,730 --> 01:03:59,670
of course is liquid can also move being

1759
01:04:04,730 --> 01:04:01,740
fluid and that you can then have a kind

1760
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:04,740
of a runaway scenario where more and

1761
01:04:09,380 --> 01:04:07,290
more mass builds up at this new equator

1762
01:04:10,849 --> 01:04:09,390
and then after once that happens it's

1763
01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:10,859
like you know it happens faster and

1764
01:04:16,359 --> 01:04:13,950
faster until you have like a total shift

1765
01:04:18,740 --> 01:04:16,369
and a new equator begins to form

1766
01:04:21,980 --> 01:04:18,750
in that kind of event which would be

1767
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:21,990
cataclysmic I think yeah you know land

1768
01:04:26,990 --> 01:04:24,720
masses could go under the sea and you

1769
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:27,000
know oceans would sweep over lands and

1770
01:04:30,410 --> 01:04:28,290
you know you'd have this really

1771
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:30,420
cataclysmic scenario and like anyone

1772
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:32,490
who's looked at you know ancient

1773
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:34,560
mysteries and alternate research that

1774
01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:37,440
you can't help they encounter stories of

1775
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:39,060
what sounds like they're happening and

1776
01:04:44,359 --> 01:04:40,920
like you know so we basically have to

1777
01:04:46,099 --> 01:04:44,369
decide do we trust our ancestors do we

1778
01:04:47,479 --> 01:04:46,109
think that they were all bullshitting us

1779
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:47,489
because you know that's what comes to

1780
01:04:50,420 --> 01:04:48,809
you we don't have the science to say it

1781
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:50,430
happened or didn't happen you know we

1782
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:51,900
can say well we don't have strong case

1783
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,329
scientifically but if we trust our

1784
01:04:58,970 --> 01:04:57,119
ancestors we'd have to say certainly

1785
01:04:59,839 --> 01:04:58,980
sounds like it happened because we feel

1786
01:05:02,239 --> 01:04:59,849
have talked about you

1787
01:05:04,099 --> 01:05:02,249
the sea swept in and over the land and

1788
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:04,109
you know people only survive on top of a

1789
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,569
tall tree or in a boat or on a mountain

1790
01:05:10,009 --> 01:05:08,880
and that story is everywhere you know he

1791
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:10,019
doesn't matter where you go in the world

1792
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:11,849
couple of guys or company or man or

1793
01:05:16,339 --> 01:05:14,160
whatever they survive in a boat or on a

1794
01:05:18,140 --> 01:05:16,349
mountain or a tool tree and you know

1795
01:05:24,979 --> 01:05:18,150
that story is coming from somewhere and

1796
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:24,989
from something you know so I think if

1797
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:27,450
I'm trying to I tried to stick with the

1798
01:05:30,769 --> 01:05:28,950
strongest scientific case and the

1799
01:05:32,749 --> 01:05:30,779
strongest scientific case is these sea

1800
01:05:34,579 --> 01:05:32,759
level rises that would have you know

1801
01:05:36,380 --> 01:05:34,589
swallowed vast areas of land you know

1802
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:36,390
but I don't mind it about that because

1803
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,650
you know there's a there's a bit of

1804
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:39,359
things mmm these just sounds so

1805
01:05:43,489 --> 01:05:42,180
cataclysmic these stories you know it's

1806
01:05:47,539 --> 01:05:43,499
these stories of like oh they go this

1807
01:05:49,249 --> 01:05:47,549
this you know a spirit or like a nature

1808
01:05:51,609 --> 01:05:49,259
spirit came behind said holy [\h__\h]

1809
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:51,619
water's coming get your [\h__\h]

1810
01:05:55,759 --> 01:05:54,690
essentially and yeah you know it's the

1811
01:05:57,739 --> 01:05:55,769
same the same store whether you're

1812
01:06:00,259 --> 01:05:57,749
dealing with North American indigenous

1813
01:06:05,150 --> 01:06:00,269
groups or you're dealing with you know

1814
01:06:08,479 --> 01:06:05,160
is Israelis from from the you know from

1815
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,489
from the the same the the same basic

1816
01:06:11,299 --> 01:06:10,079
story of being more that there's there's

1817
01:06:12,769 --> 01:06:11,309
a Cataclysm coming and then there are

1818
01:06:14,989 --> 01:06:12,779
the same stories afterwards of the

1819
01:06:21,460 --> 01:06:14,999
rebuilding which haven't seen in all in

1820
01:06:23,809 --> 01:06:21,470
South America in in in in Egypt even so

1821
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:23,819
yeah I I would say like yet you have to

1822
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:25,890
listen to the two least listened to it

1823
01:06:27,799 --> 01:06:27,089
because if you're starting to see a

1824
01:06:31,999 --> 01:06:27,809
pattern

1825
01:06:33,049 --> 01:06:32,009
it's start stops becoming a starts

1826
01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:33,059
becoming a story and starts becoming

1827
01:06:36,380 --> 01:06:35,160
more of a global theme if you're hearing

1828
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:36,390
the same thing over and over and over

1829
01:06:38,779 --> 01:06:37,529
again and it's all relating to the same

1830
01:06:41,509 --> 01:06:38,789
time period the fact that we haven't

1831
01:06:43,220 --> 01:06:41,519
looked at it as seriously as a society

1832
01:06:44,569 --> 01:06:43,230
is kind of troubling to me and this is

1833
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:44,579
one thing the least I'm I'm glad that we

1834
01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:46,079
have individuals authors such as

1835
01:06:51,140 --> 01:06:47,700
yourself to try and and bring this

1836
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:51,150
forward one thing we have discussed in

1837
01:06:55,130 --> 01:06:53,970
the show and I know that Denver Wood is

1838
01:06:56,900 --> 01:06:55,140
one of those individuals who'd be like

1839
01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:56,910
dude you got a chance to talk about this

1840
01:07:00,020 --> 01:06:58,140
love on air and you didn't

1841
01:07:03,830 --> 01:07:00,030
is Giants and you and I have talked

1842
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:03,840
about it aa fair before and the this is

1843
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:07,680
a line of humans which there's been a

1844
01:07:12,260 --> 01:07:10,050
lot of talk about it is a global

1845
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:12,270
phenomenon in terms of the legends that

1846
01:07:17,810 --> 01:07:14,760
are surrounding it obviously with when

1847
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,820
it comes to anything out of you know the

1848
01:07:20,900 --> 01:07:19,680
last 200 years you can either have

1849
01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:20,910
things that are very credible because

1850
01:07:24,020 --> 01:07:22,590
they're photographs or that can

1851
01:07:27,290 --> 01:07:24,030
sometimes lead to another edge of the

1852
01:07:28,790 --> 01:07:27,300
coin where or that's you know that would

1853
01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:28,800
mean that it's very easily faked about

1854
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:31,980
and what believable at the same time so

1855
01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:37,530
what it in terms of the giant theory is

1856
01:07:41,870 --> 01:07:39,590
this something that is credible or

1857
01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:41,880
what-have-you both personal like what do

1858
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:45,720
you looked and read into it well the

1859
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:49,020
first guys say here from promotional

1860
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:51,510
perspective it means that if you look at

1861
01:07:54,830 --> 01:07:52,650
the fossil record you look at the

1862
01:07:57,590 --> 01:07:54,840
African fossil record for example down

1863
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,600
in South Africa around about 300,000

1864
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,480
years ago they said there was a group of

1865
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:01,760
them what they call Homo heidelbergensis

1866
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:03,330
maybe some Caesar

1867
01:08:07,610 --> 01:08:05,210
now he's just suited to be sort of

1868
01:08:10,010 --> 01:08:07,620
ancestral Neanderthals but you know that

1869
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:10,020
they're a human species and they're

1870
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:11,520
amongst these groups down there they

1871
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:14,400
were routinely you know skeletons around

1872
01:08:19,340 --> 01:08:16,920
about seven foot tall and also they

1873
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:19,350
found a lake bed no in South Africa

1874
01:08:25,220 --> 01:08:22,770
which contains tools which was just

1875
01:08:26,930 --> 01:08:25,230
enormous compared to theirs axe heads in

1876
01:08:28,250 --> 01:08:26,940
there which are normal size and these

1877
01:08:29,810 --> 01:08:28,260
other stone axe heads whether they're

1878
01:08:32,810 --> 01:08:29,820
are just enormous again we seem to

1879
01:08:34,310 --> 01:08:32,820
associate with this population so so we

1880
01:08:36,740 --> 01:08:34,320
know from like a human evolutionary

1881
01:08:39,530 --> 01:08:36,750
point of view that you can have a

1882
01:08:41,810 --> 01:08:39,540
splinter population that goes through

1883
01:08:44,210 --> 01:08:41,820
gigantism and not you know and types of

1884
01:08:45,290 --> 01:08:44,220
gigantism happen on islands and stuff

1885
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:45,300
you know with it where I saluted

1886
01:08:49,670 --> 01:08:47,370
populations for one reason another go

1887
01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:49,680
through a period of gigantism so so

1888
01:08:53,420 --> 01:08:51,750
there's not really like an evolutionary

1889
01:08:54,590 --> 01:08:53,430
science if your argument to say well

1890
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,600
this can't happen

1891
01:08:58,700 --> 01:08:56,640
you know because well it does happen it

1892
01:09:01,190 --> 01:08:58,710
has happened and on top of that then we

1893
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:01,200
have like pygmy people you know

1894
01:09:06,170 --> 01:09:03,750
pygmy people are real they're still

1895
01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:06,180
there you know significant populations

1896
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:08,940
of people who are unusually short very

1897
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:10,920
small you know in their dimensions but

1898
01:09:14,209 --> 01:09:11,940
physically form

1899
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:14,219
you know perfectly well have smaller

1900
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:15,690
brains there's smaller heads but they

1901
01:09:19,309 --> 01:09:17,370
have smaller brains but they go about

1902
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:19,319
their lives perfectly well you know

1903
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:21,239
they're not mentally [\h__\h] or

1904
01:09:26,749 --> 01:09:24,049
something you know so we can function

1905
01:09:29,180 --> 01:09:26,759
large sizes we can function as small

1906
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:29,190
sizes and in the middle so the first

1907
01:09:33,939 --> 01:09:30,930
thing is to say that there's no real

1908
01:09:38,180 --> 01:09:33,949
argument to say this is a stupid theory

1909
01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:38,190
because we know it happens but what what

1910
01:09:40,970 --> 01:09:39,540
you know what degree of the stories we

1911
01:09:42,979 --> 01:09:40,980
hear true well aren't you know obviously

1912
01:09:44,090 --> 01:09:42,989
then it's certainly saw waiting the you

1913
01:09:46,220 --> 01:09:44,100
know saw in the wheat from the chaff

1914
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:46,230
isn't it because I mean you know I think

1915
01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:49,759
that a population of people around maybe

1916
01:09:55,939 --> 01:09:53,940
seven to eight nine foot even maybe you

1917
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,949
know is probably reasonable I think with

1918
01:09:59,479 --> 01:09:57,600
some of the taller examples when you

1919
01:10:02,030 --> 01:09:59,489
hear the like you know she I keep her I

1920
01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:02,040
guess the tall of a giant is the more my

1921
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:04,860
skeptism will build up you know because

1922
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:06,719
obviously if someone says to me well

1923
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:08,940
look you know there was like a ten meter

1924
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:11,310
tall guy living there you know I'm

1925
01:10:14,780 --> 01:10:12,570
thinking well that's like Jack and the

1926
01:10:18,140 --> 01:10:14,790
Beanstalk now you know where I'm

1927
01:10:19,820 --> 01:10:18,150
struggling to stay on board you know but

1928
01:10:22,820 --> 01:10:19,830
when someone sort of says you know

1929
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:22,830
you've got a guy that's between I guess

1930
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:25,080
six and twelve somewhere in that range

1931
01:10:29,870 --> 01:10:28,110
like I wouldn't tell any right off I

1932
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:29,880
mean I'd say maybe you know at the

1933
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:31,610
higher end certainly at there yeah the

1934
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:33,810
eight-foot nine-foot I mean even today

1935
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:35,820
we have people with with medical

1936
01:10:39,979 --> 01:10:37,980
conditions you know that that grow up to

1937
01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:39,989
around you know eight nine foot we know

1938
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:41,640
this that happens again we know it does

1939
01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:44,100
happen so the idea that it's ridiculous

1940
01:10:47,959 --> 01:10:46,140
you know I don't think he's at all fair

1941
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:47,969
like I think that with all the accounts

1942
01:10:53,180 --> 01:10:50,640
and legends that people encounter groups

1943
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:53,190
that were very tall on average you know

1944
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:54,780
that we we should take that kind of

1945
01:11:01,060 --> 01:10:56,480
seriously and understand that you know

1946
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:01,070
humans can have mutations that lead to

1947
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:04,260
new forms and the you know for one

1948
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:05,850
reason or another so I mean I tend to in

1949
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:07,530
the yeah that there were populations

1950
01:11:10,610 --> 01:11:09,000
like that and we hear those stories all

1951
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:10,620
around the again all around like the

1952
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:11,850
flood stories again we hear these

1953
01:11:16,010 --> 01:11:14,130
stories from cultures all around the

1954
01:11:17,959 --> 01:11:16,020
world and you know these causes are

1955
01:11:19,939 --> 01:11:17,969
supposedly not directly linked and the

1956
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:19,949
stories are supposedly not from the same

1957
01:11:24,930 --> 01:11:22,800
source so why is it that the stories are

1958
01:11:27,630 --> 01:11:24,940
so similar

1959
01:11:29,130 --> 01:11:27,640
and even with some of the stories there

1960
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,140
there are a story like the same story

1961
01:11:34,170 --> 01:11:31,600
seems to be coming up lay as I mentioned

1962
01:11:36,270 --> 01:11:34,180
in in South America there are stories of

1963
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:36,280
you know nine-foot tall Giants with red

1964
01:11:40,650 --> 01:11:37,840
hair who just show up on the shore one

1965
01:11:42,990 --> 01:11:40,660
day and just start wrecking [\h__\h] the

1966
01:11:45,780 --> 01:11:43,000
same thing is is heard all in in North

1967
01:11:48,750 --> 01:11:45,790
America from the Ohio Valley down to

1968
01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:48,760
Arizona not much you know above the

1969
01:11:51,810 --> 01:11:50,710
American Canadian border because well

1970
01:11:53,490 --> 01:11:51,820
obviously around the time that they

1971
01:11:54,930 --> 01:11:53,500
start first started appearing that's

1972
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:54,940
what you had a joint Ice Ice Sheet

1973
01:11:58,830 --> 01:11:56,410
sitting on top of it so not a lot it's

1974
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:58,840
gonna be happening there well you know

1975
01:12:05,100 --> 01:12:01,360
it from anything from biblical stories

1976
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:05,110
to the epics of Gilgamesh well you know

1977
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:08,640
the same the I can't think of any out of

1978
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:11,680
Southeast Asia but I'm sure that there

1979
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:15,280
are stories that are there and yeah you

1980
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:16,630
know I'm not sure if you've seen the

1981
01:12:22,380 --> 01:12:18,640
photo I think it's in Africa of the the

1982
01:12:24,330 --> 01:12:22,390
giant footprint I've seen most yeah most

1983
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:24,340
of the pictures of trying footprints I

1984
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:27,370
mean I again I am more skeptical of

1985
01:12:31,290 --> 01:12:28,980
those for a couple of reasons because

1986
01:12:35,220 --> 01:12:31,300
the first thing is we'd have to have a

1987
01:12:38,700 --> 01:12:35,230
geologist work out you know is this you

1988
01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:38,710
know carved or is it formed you know

1989
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:40,900
that's one thing to start with then does

1990
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:42,970
it match up to the dimensions of a foot

1991
01:12:46,620 --> 01:12:45,130
even if it's an enlarged foot so like an

1992
01:12:49,020 --> 01:12:46,630
anatomist or someone who can say well

1993
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:49,030
look the proportions of the heel to the

1994
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:51,610
toes etc you know that this matches up

1995
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:54,400
to a foot and they couldn't be natural

1996
01:12:58,980 --> 01:12:56,410
weathering and you know so I mean I

1997
01:13:00,690 --> 01:12:58,990
become quite skeptical you know in the

1998
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:00,700
last few years somebody was a to be very

1999
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:02,290
very open-minded you know if you said I

2000
01:13:06,150 --> 01:13:04,000
you know I saw and I saw a China

2001
01:13:07,950 --> 01:13:06,160
probably yeah I believe you know but now

2002
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:07,960
I think well he's they're supporting

2003
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:09,130
evidence you know have you brought in

2004
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:10,930
the sciences when the Proms have in

2005
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:12,490
there there's at the South African one

2006
01:13:17,490 --> 01:13:14,410
which Michael challenger kind of has

2007
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:17,500
made famous is that that he's in you

2008
01:13:21,150 --> 01:13:19,210
know that it's actually in granite or

2009
01:13:25,470 --> 01:13:21,160
some like and granite forms underground

2010
01:13:27,690 --> 01:13:25,480
you know in in like amazingly hot

2011
01:13:30,450 --> 01:13:27,700
conditions right you know where I just I

2012
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:30,460
can't fathom our footprint can be left

2013
01:13:34,380 --> 01:13:32,050
in a material that forms deep

2014
01:13:36,270 --> 01:13:34,390
underground ultra high temperatures

2015
01:13:37,899 --> 01:13:36,280
because like you know this is just that

2016
01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:37,909
logically how did

2017
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:40,550
make a print underground you know

2018
01:13:44,290 --> 01:13:43,130
thousands of degrees and you know so I

2019
01:13:45,459 --> 01:13:44,300
do our prom with some of these because

2020
01:13:46,629 --> 01:13:45,469
when you look at the geology and they

2021
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:46,639
say well look you know you know we know

2022
01:13:51,070 --> 01:13:48,560
this is granite you know that this is

2023
01:13:52,570 --> 01:13:51,080
not sandstone or something where you

2024
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:52,580
could say okay someone's walking along a

2025
01:13:57,820 --> 01:13:56,239
beach you know and it solidifies and you

2026
01:14:00,520 --> 01:13:57,830
say okay we've got a giant footprint

2027
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:00,530
here you know I be quite convincing but

2028
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:02,210
if it's you know a rock the forms

2029
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:04,150
underground at high temperature I

2030
01:14:08,350 --> 01:14:06,710
struggle to see how a printing laughter

2031
01:14:10,990 --> 01:14:08,360
it's more reasonable to me is that

2032
01:14:12,669 --> 01:14:11,000
somebody in carved the shape and says

2033
01:14:14,770 --> 01:14:12,679
that you know like maybe they believed

2034
01:14:16,689 --> 01:14:14,780
in giants so they carve a giant

2035
01:14:18,100 --> 01:14:16,699
footprint in a war to sort of say you

2036
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:18,110
know we believed in giants is what a

2037
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:20,000
Giants footprint looked like you know or

2038
01:14:23,950 --> 01:14:21,409
something like that so I think the again

2039
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:23,960
we have to be careful of jumping to what

2040
01:14:27,820 --> 01:14:26,210
seems obvious because the obvious thing

2041
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:27,830
is someone steps in the stone and makes

2042
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,449
the print but I could go and hire

2043
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,000
someone today you know and go engrave me

2044
01:14:36,189 --> 01:14:33,920
a giant footprint and I take some photos

2045
01:14:38,290 --> 01:14:36,199
and if I put that on my website and I

2046
01:14:39,550 --> 01:14:38,300
say I found a giant footprint ninety

2047
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:39,560
percent of the community will take you

2048
01:14:43,149 --> 01:14:41,570
on faith I'm telling the truth because I

2049
01:14:45,879 --> 01:14:43,159
generally I'm telling the chief mapping

2050
01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:45,889
so I can use that capital to spin a

2051
01:14:50,590 --> 01:14:47,870
[\h__\h] story and that will be on most

2052
01:14:53,050 --> 01:14:50,600
the blogs and web magazines by tomorrow

2053
01:14:55,689 --> 01:14:53,060
Bruce has found a massive jump but I've

2054
01:14:57,580 --> 01:14:55,699
just paid some guy to engrave it like a

2055
01:15:00,160 --> 01:14:57,590
letter geologist or a scientist or

2056
01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:00,170
someone comes along and evaluates that

2057
01:15:03,310 --> 01:15:01,760
we don't know that people aren't

2058
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:03,320
disappearing a spore sure I just but

2059
01:15:06,430 --> 01:15:04,850
think of the speaking tour you know

2060
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:06,440
there there's there's cruises and stuff

2061
01:15:11,410 --> 01:15:09,710
you can host come on I can if I'd wanted

2062
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:11,420
to be famous years ago there's all sorts

2063
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,650
of [\h__\h] I could have spent out there

2064
01:15:15,459 --> 01:15:14,000
there's a lot of people spitting

2065
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:15,469
[\h__\h] out there and they're very do

2066
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:17,090
very well for themselves they're doing

2067
01:15:21,070 --> 01:15:19,130
all sorts of cures and and boat their

2068
01:15:22,450 --> 01:15:21,080
boat trips and you know and they're

2069
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:22,460
making good money and there are all the

2070
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:24,770
TV shows but you know if you stick with

2071
01:15:28,750 --> 01:15:27,199
the truth you know you don't tell quiet

2072
01:15:30,129 --> 01:15:28,760
you know it's not the story's not quite

2073
01:15:31,959 --> 01:15:30,139
as exciting because yeah there's a

2074
01:15:33,610 --> 01:15:31,969
really saying stuff but you have to do

2075
01:15:35,709 --> 01:15:33,620
in a logical progression if like you say

2076
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:35,719
well okay I can evaluate this site I'm

2077
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:37,130
going to see you know what is the

2078
01:15:40,629 --> 01:15:39,050
evidence for it what is the argument you

2079
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:40,639
know who was involved in the discovery

2080
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:43,250
did they have an agenda you know what do

2081
01:15:46,629 --> 01:15:45,050
they get out of it you know that kind of

2082
01:15:49,450 --> 01:15:46,639
stuff and unless we do that background

2083
01:15:51,109 --> 01:15:49,460
check we genuinely you know we are

2084
01:15:53,569 --> 01:15:51,119
putting ourselves vulnerable

2085
01:15:55,009 --> 01:15:53,579
basically because not and we will take

2086
01:15:57,290 --> 01:15:55,019
other researchers on faith and that's

2087
01:15:59,419 --> 01:15:57,300
and I if I know someone and I think that

2088
01:16:00,619 --> 01:15:59,429
there's a truth teller even though I I

2089
01:16:02,359 --> 01:16:00,629
would probably take them on faith and

2090
01:16:03,979 --> 01:16:02,369
that that's probably a mistake because

2091
01:16:06,020 --> 01:16:03,989
they are often taking someone else's

2092
01:16:07,639 --> 01:16:06,030
thing on faith as well and you find that

2093
01:16:09,409 --> 01:16:07,649
you're actually believing so from

2094
01:16:11,569 --> 01:16:09,419
somebody you would never trust in your

2095
01:16:13,969 --> 01:16:11,579
wildest dreams because it's come through

2096
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:13,979
someone you do trust you know and we end

2097
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:16,050
up with these kind of problems where you

2098
01:16:19,759 --> 01:16:17,610
know so let's me then go into our own

2099
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:19,769
independent checking you know that we're

2100
01:16:23,989 --> 01:16:21,689
really we are all Gillian will be guilty

2101
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:23,999
putting some point of a retweet you know

2102
01:16:28,069 --> 01:16:26,280
or repeating something that are the base

2103
01:16:30,139 --> 01:16:28,079
of it there's nothing there's nothing to

2104
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:30,149
the story and that's kind of like where

2105
01:16:32,750 --> 01:16:31,169
I'm at with some of these giant

2106
01:16:34,339 --> 01:16:32,760
footprints oh there's lovely China

2107
01:16:35,989 --> 01:16:34,349
I don't know that Chinese guy didn't

2108
01:16:38,209 --> 01:16:35,999
just go yesterday you know with his

2109
01:16:40,729 --> 01:16:38,219
friend say hey you know what people into

2110
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:40,739
giants now just carved me out a giant

2111
01:16:44,209 --> 01:16:42,510
footprint like that well in Africa and

2112
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:44,219
like I'll be in all the news and like

2113
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:46,050
using the other news and I'm saying to

2114
01:16:52,939 --> 01:16:48,209
giant and I've not seen any validation

2115
01:16:53,989 --> 01:16:52,949
that that was an ancient footprint if

2116
01:16:55,969 --> 01:16:53,999
it's an artifact it's coming out of

2117
01:16:57,889 --> 01:16:55,979
China I I did again this is nothing

2118
01:17:00,109 --> 01:16:57,899
against Chinese history or the Chinese

2119
01:17:03,619 --> 01:17:00,119
culture or or the the the peoples who

2120
01:17:08,389 --> 01:17:03,629
lived there but it is known as a place

2121
01:17:09,649 --> 01:17:08,399
where let's see you know how you get see

2122
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,659
stuff there's a little hokey stuff that

2123
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:10,800
comes out of there you know in terms of

2124
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:12,510
just even just a regular things like you

2125
01:17:17,299 --> 01:17:14,820
can there there are full big-box stores

2126
01:17:19,279 --> 01:17:17,309
like where I live in Ottawa in in Canada

2127
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,289
has one of the largest IKEA stores in

2128
01:17:23,299 --> 01:17:21,840
North America I think it like the

2129
01:17:24,859 --> 01:17:23,309
stories you could see it from space and

2130
01:17:26,779 --> 01:17:24,869
like you can actually see the IKEA sign

2131
01:17:29,389 --> 01:17:26,789
from like looting kilometers away it's

2132
01:17:31,699 --> 01:17:29,399
that big and you can find stores as big

2133
01:17:33,909 --> 01:17:31,709
in China that look exactly like IKEA

2134
01:17:39,489 --> 01:17:33,919
have all IKEA furniture it's 100% fake

2135
01:17:42,109 --> 01:17:39,499
same thing so you know there is a

2136
01:17:43,909 --> 01:17:42,119
replication there there's you know like

2137
01:17:46,189 --> 01:17:43,919
how do you know that that isn't you know

2138
01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:46,199
isn't the case I I know that it's false

2139
01:17:49,279 --> 01:17:47,550
equivalency because you're dealing with

2140
01:17:52,459 --> 01:17:49,289
you know standard a mass-produced

2141
01:17:54,830 --> 01:17:52,469
product for sale for profit versus an

2142
01:17:55,969 --> 01:17:54,840
artifact which could potentially be

2143
01:17:58,219 --> 01:17:55,979
thousands of years old also these

2144
01:17:59,839 --> 01:17:58,229
accusations of you know agendas in

2145
01:18:01,219 --> 01:17:59,849
Chinese archeology and all sorts of

2146
01:18:02,689 --> 01:18:01,229
stuff as well they're you know I know

2147
01:18:03,530 --> 01:18:02,699
they're within Western archaeology

2148
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:03,540
there's a lot

2149
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:06,000
a dubious about some of the Chinese

2150
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:07,380
archeology that has got national

2151
01:18:11,870 --> 01:18:09,710
interest since they're so mean you're

2152
01:18:13,610 --> 01:18:11,880
skeptical something when regimes are

2153
01:18:15,380 --> 01:18:13,620
involved in places that no is there an

2154
01:18:16,940 --> 01:18:15,390
agenda that's being promoted for some

2155
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:16,950
reason you know there's all sorts of

2156
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:18,450
factors that we have to consider and you

2157
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:20,040
know anytime that something is found you

2158
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:21,690
know you know why is it that they're

2159
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:24,239
trying to tell us but you know your best

2160
01:18:26,990 --> 01:18:25,410
difference to me if the Giants are so

2161
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:27,000
few I guess yes when you find say you

2162
01:18:31,010 --> 01:18:29,730
know the mounds you know in America if

2163
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:31,020
someone else creates a mound and they

2164
01:18:36,770 --> 01:18:33,570
find you know a 12-foot skeleton with

2165
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:36,780
oversized grave goods and you know you

2166
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,489
can kind of reasonably say like the guy

2167
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:40,800
in that grave was unusually tall and so

2168
01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:42,810
yeah at the moment I haven't seen any

2169
01:18:46,190 --> 01:18:45,000
footprints which like again which I find

2170
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:46,200
credible it's not that they're

2171
01:18:50,810 --> 01:18:49,110
necessarily fake but again we go back to

2172
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:50,820
that thing if like I want at this point

2173
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:52,650
in my life I realized what I need is a

2174
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:55,650
geologist to tell me is there any

2175
01:18:59,720 --> 01:18:58,050
science to this because you know again I

2176
01:19:01,310 --> 01:18:59,730
can look at something and I can tell

2177
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:01,320
people well you know I think it's this

2178
01:19:04,940 --> 01:19:03,090
if you really saw a proof do you

2179
01:19:08,540 --> 01:19:04,950
understand the formation of that type of

2180
01:19:10,610 --> 01:19:08,550
stone I'd like that no idea may you know

2181
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:10,620
so that's that's kind of the problem

2182
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:12,330
with all these kind of stories again the

2183
01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:14,730
new parts again the same problem then

2184
01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:15,960
when we trace these stories back we

2185
01:19:19,970 --> 01:19:18,450
usually find a layperson who has no

2186
01:19:22,250 --> 01:19:19,980
understanding what they're looking at

2187
01:19:24,410 --> 01:19:22,260
who got really excited like I word or

2188
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:24,420
you heard if he found something and like

2189
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:26,010
they got really excited but then they've

2190
01:19:28,940 --> 01:19:27,600
uploaded it or whatever and said look I

2191
01:19:31,130 --> 01:19:28,950
found this and I think it's this and

2192
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:31,140
that and that and because people want

2193
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:32,880
clickbait for their websites you know

2194
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:35,370
that within a day every blog and website

2195
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:37,650
is repeating it and like there's no

2196
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,600
attempt to reach a scientist and say

2197
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:41,840
like what do you think about this

2198
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,010
inevitably they say well like we know

2199
01:19:47,390 --> 01:19:45,840
that the stone bluff there is you know

2200
01:19:49,490 --> 01:19:47,400
mayor limestone or whatever you know and

2201
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:49,500
it's this old and you know so can seen

2202
01:19:52,850 --> 01:19:51,150
it really it could be or couldn't be it

2203
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:52,860
that's what we need for those type of

2204
01:19:57,710 --> 01:19:55,890
things you know that's why with my book

2205
01:19:59,420 --> 01:19:57,720
I mean you know as you said earlier most

2206
01:20:00,979 --> 01:19:59,430
people that write about the part of

2207
01:20:03,140 --> 01:20:00,989
history I write about a pretty much

2208
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:03,150
making stuff up you know the basalt I

2209
01:20:07,130 --> 01:20:05,610
went to the extreme of of really going

2210
01:20:09,740 --> 01:20:07,140
through just valid scientific sources

2211
01:20:13,580 --> 01:20:09,750
and and accepting that I'm not a

2212
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:13,590
geologist I'm not a new lose me

2213
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:15,920
biologist I'm not a molecular chemist

2214
01:20:19,959 --> 01:20:18,410
I cannot do those experiments right I

2215
01:20:23,380 --> 01:20:19,969
cannot go digger

2216
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:23,390
a hominin fossil and analyze it get

2217
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:25,730
extracts its DMA you know it'd be lying

2218
01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:27,530
to say that I'm out there in the field

2219
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:29,750
you know researching human evolution

2220
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:31,489
because if I was you should yeah you

2221
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:34,130
should rightly laugh because you'd solve

2222
01:20:39,459 --> 01:20:37,850
it though this is training to do that as

2223
01:20:41,470 --> 01:20:39,469
a sighted as it looks and then running

2224
01:20:45,729 --> 01:20:41,480
about digging up bones what the [\h__\h]

2225
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:45,739
does he know I think we have to be able

2226
01:20:50,020 --> 01:20:47,600
to use the science sources otherwise

2227
01:20:51,459 --> 01:20:50,030
we're always in danger of basically all

2228
01:20:53,140 --> 01:20:51,469
getting carried away and then carrying

2229
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:53,150
each other along with it because then we

2230
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,290
all get excited you know you tell your

2231
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:55,760
friends you tell someone else before we

2232
01:21:00,700 --> 01:20:57,890
know it is accepted because other blogs

2233
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,710
say it's so and we got a chain of blogs

2234
01:21:04,990 --> 01:21:02,719
and there's nobody's actually evaluated

2235
01:21:06,729 --> 01:21:05,000
it now I'm not gonna use the word

2236
01:21:08,110 --> 01:21:06,739
skepticism because I know what can

2237
01:21:10,209 --> 01:21:08,120
sometimes have a negative connotation to

2238
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:10,219
it but where did when did you first

2239
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:12,770
start to have your I'm gonna say

2240
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,010
rational irrational open-minded moment

2241
01:21:20,020 --> 01:21:18,560
everyone has it I think like I've had at

2242
01:21:22,300 --> 01:21:20,030
least two in the last couple of years

2243
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:22,310
because I used to be like you were where

2244
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:24,320
I'd you know what I call holy [\h__\h] they

2245
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:26,000
found something and you know like in

2246
01:21:29,530 --> 01:21:27,890
South Africa and oh my god it's sick

2247
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:29,540
200,000 years old and my rational mind

2248
01:21:33,100 --> 01:21:31,850
would go right up the window and I would

2249
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:33,110
just take it at face value and I

2250
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,130
wouldn't I wouldn't put any thought into

2251
01:21:38,890 --> 01:21:36,320
it and somewhere along the line there

2252
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:38,900
was you know something that I'm trying

2253
01:21:44,830 --> 01:21:42,890
to remember the author I think his

2254
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:44,840
name's I'm probably getting [\h__\h] on for

2255
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:45,710
this I think it was actually Gerald

2256
01:21:52,900 --> 01:21:48,560
Clark who was an author out of I didn't

2257
01:21:54,220 --> 01:21:52,910
think his out of the states one of our

2258
01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:54,230
listeners and masters would be able to

2259
01:21:55,870 --> 01:21:55,520
tell me because we joke about it all the

2260
01:21:57,490 --> 01:21:55,880
time

2261
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:57,500
and he essentially writes about the

2262
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:01,040
Anunnaki like it's you know it's pure

2263
01:22:04,689 --> 01:22:02,570
science fiction at least to me oh sorry

2264
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:04,699
I should say it sounds to me like it's

2265
01:22:07,630 --> 01:22:06,320
pure science fiction although he's

2266
01:22:08,830 --> 01:22:07,640
writing it as if it were actually fact

2267
01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:08,840
it's due to an interpretation that

2268
01:22:12,189 --> 01:22:10,520
apparently he has based on the mythology

2269
01:22:16,330 --> 01:22:12,199
and I think was at that moment that I

2270
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:16,340
start to realize maybe that there is not

2271
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:17,600
as much to the story as some people

2272
01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:19,310
would claim because you know they're

2273
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:21,980
people like to make money it was kind of

2274
01:22:26,620 --> 01:22:24,710
my aha moment what what was yours like

2275
01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:26,630
what what kind of made you switch over

2276
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:28,340
to that okay well there needs to be

2277
01:22:30,850 --> 01:22:29,449
evidence to

2278
01:22:34,540 --> 01:22:30,860
extraordinary claims and I won't

2279
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:34,550
necessarily accept it without it I think

2280
01:22:40,060 --> 01:22:37,850
the two things I think firstly I you

2281
01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:40,070
know I was a co-author in a book which

2282
01:22:46,990 --> 01:22:43,969
was largely based on unsubstantiated you

2283
01:22:48,729 --> 01:22:47,000
know subjective personal experiences so

2284
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:48,739
obviously I experienced some level of

2285
01:22:52,689 --> 01:22:51,110
clobbering you know for that because

2286
01:22:54,490 --> 01:22:52,699
deaf people say we're not you know I

2287
01:22:55,930 --> 01:22:54,500
don't believe I don't believe you you

2288
01:22:58,090 --> 01:22:55,940
know you're just making it up you know

2289
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:58,100
this is rubbish or we're so I've had

2290
01:23:01,510 --> 01:22:59,600
that as a direct experience but I also

2291
01:23:03,189 --> 01:23:01,520
think that you know strangely enough it

2292
01:23:05,260 --> 01:23:03,199
was working with ayahuasca in South

2293
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:05,270
America over a period on a cells in

2294
01:23:08,740 --> 01:23:07,010
Ecuador for five years I was working

2295
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:08,750
with San Pedro and I was during that

2296
01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:10,730
period and that I think that when the

2297
01:23:16,660 --> 01:23:13,070
messages I got from the plan was that

2298
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:16,670
you know not to be so open-minded and I

2299
01:23:19,180 --> 01:23:17,810
know that sounds panic so a lot of

2300
01:23:19,810 --> 01:23:19,190
people say they go off to South America

2301
01:23:22,209 --> 01:23:19,820
you know people are being very

2302
01:23:24,189 --> 01:23:22,219
closed-minded and that the plants and

2303
01:23:25,959 --> 01:23:24,199
stuff opened their minds and say you

2304
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,969
know there's a bigger reality and you

2305
01:23:29,140 --> 01:23:27,440
know you've got to accept more if

2306
01:23:30,939 --> 01:23:29,150
they're you know more the things out

2307
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:30,949
there and and see that there's a bigger

2308
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:33,050
cosmos and that's you know quite typical

2309
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:34,730
but I think if you go into as someone

2310
01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:37,250
who's already very open-minded the plant

2311
01:23:40,060 --> 01:23:38,510
doesn't need to do that at all and

2312
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:40,070
obviously because you already open

2313
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:42,890
minded consciousness and aliens and and

2314
01:23:46,540 --> 01:23:45,050
all the rest of it so yeah conversely I

2315
01:23:49,390 --> 01:23:46,550
think I was actually given the message

2316
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:49,400
to be more be more escapes could be been

2317
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:51,290
more critical not so said to be critical

2318
01:23:55,390 --> 01:23:53,690
of what I was processing and surley why

2319
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:55,400
I would put out there because I mean why

2320
01:23:59,080 --> 01:23:57,530
think in the back of my head you know

2321
01:24:00,880 --> 01:23:59,090
some of it's quite extraordinary and

2322
01:24:03,340 --> 01:24:00,890
very strange you know there's some very

2323
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:03,350
weird things that I do believe you know

2324
01:24:06,370 --> 01:24:05,090
so he might get the impression listening

2325
01:24:08,830 --> 01:24:06,380
to me here well God you know he sounds

2326
01:24:10,419 --> 01:24:08,840
like some sort of academic skeptic

2327
01:24:12,130 --> 01:24:10,429
[\h__\h] and I'll say because I can

2328
01:24:13,689 --> 01:24:12,140
understand but in the back of my head

2329
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:13,699
there's all kinds of things I believe

2330
01:24:17,530 --> 01:24:16,250
I'm not saying because I can't back them

2331
01:24:20,050 --> 01:24:17,540
up you know and that's what I realized

2332
01:24:22,930 --> 01:24:20,060
that I have to filter what I share is a

2333
01:24:23,950 --> 01:24:22,940
kind of a message to the public and

2334
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:23,960
that's not to say that I would turn

2335
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:25,610
around change someone who says well look

2336
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:27,170
do you believe in aliens yeah I believe

2337
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:29,330
in aliens can you prove them right now

2338
01:24:35,709 --> 01:24:33,199
right now no am i working on it yes you

2339
01:24:37,450 --> 01:24:35,719
know can you prove those giants I can't

2340
01:24:39,130 --> 01:24:37,460
prove it but I've seen other people with

2341
01:24:41,530 --> 01:24:39,140
very strong cases that you know they

2342
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:41,540
found a journal so yeah I believe that

2343
01:24:45,380 --> 01:24:42,960
there was some giants around you

2344
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:45,390
stuff like that my my opinions are more

2345
01:24:49,820 --> 01:24:48,450
measured and I would I would definitely

2346
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:49,830
say that that was yeah the combination

2347
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:51,120
of being clobbered for putting something

2348
01:24:55,370 --> 01:24:53,730
out there that was really I couldn't

2349
01:24:57,979 --> 01:24:55,380
substantiate my argument with you if you

2350
01:24:59,780 --> 01:24:57,989
said I'm gonna pick that book apart you

2351
01:25:01,880 --> 01:24:59,790
would probably just annihilate me you

2352
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:01,890
know yeah because I didn't supply hard

2353
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:04,080
evidence it was you know subjective

2354
01:25:09,709 --> 01:25:07,050
stuff and I said yeah I would say yeah

2355
01:25:12,380 --> 01:25:09,719
it's that combination of having got the

2356
01:25:13,820 --> 01:25:12,390
scars from doing that and being given

2357
01:25:16,220 --> 01:25:13,830
the message from higher consciousness

2358
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:16,230
through ayahuasca that I needed to be

2359
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:17,760
careful because someone working on is

2360
01:25:21,890 --> 01:25:19,920
very important and I can damage the

2361
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:21,900
overall message by putting stuff out

2362
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:25,080
there that sounds very weak and I'm one

2363
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:27,000
of the jokes that we talk about on the

2364
01:25:31,459 --> 01:25:28,890
show is like we're still waiting on

2365
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:31,469
Nibiru and I know that mckaela some

2366
01:25:33,830 --> 01:25:32,850
chance that we have here on YouTube was

2367
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:33,840
stating it's like well you know there's

2368
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:35,489
one theory that des Bureau is our second

2369
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:36,960
star and I'm I'm saying the person who

2370
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:38,850
came up with that theory it there a

2371
01:25:41,660 --> 01:25:40,050
theory of it being the second star is

2372
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:41,670
just as valid as my theory if it being

2373
01:25:46,660 --> 01:25:43,770
made of cotton candy you know yeah it's

2374
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:46,670
possible not very likely

2375
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,450
no no he's here

2376
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:50,400
and that's you and that's the prevailing

2377
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:52,290
idea of one of these of most of these

2378
01:25:55,459 --> 01:25:53,610
alternative theories that okay like

2379
01:25:57,050 --> 01:25:55,469
anything is possible then there is a lot

2380
01:25:59,870 --> 01:25:57,060
of scientific evidence to build support

2381
01:26:01,370 --> 01:25:59,880
there is a planet that is out there you

2382
01:26:04,340 --> 01:26:01,380
know I think it's a two hundred a you

2383
01:26:05,930 --> 01:26:04,350
and that's talking at you know that's

2384
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:05,940
talking at the other other planets and

2385
01:26:11,810 --> 01:26:09,840
proto and dwarf planets but you know the

2386
01:26:13,670 --> 01:26:11,820
idea that it's going to come crashing

2387
01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:13,680
into the inner solar system and you know

2388
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:15,780
every five thousand years is just it's

2389
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:16,890
ludicrous and insane

2390
01:26:19,940 --> 01:26:18,719
because it would you have a planet of

2391
01:26:21,470 --> 01:26:19,950
that size that would come into the inner

2392
01:26:23,540 --> 01:26:21,480
solar system you don't what happen it

2393
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:23,550
would kick all the planets out you know

2394
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:27,210
there's there's a lot of rationality

2395
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:28,410
that people just kind of kick out of

2396
01:26:30,890 --> 01:26:29,520
their minds when it comes to a lot of

2397
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:30,900
these and they latch on to it and

2398
01:26:35,390 --> 01:26:32,489
they'll just hold on to it and it's it's

2399
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:35,400
nice and it's fun but at some point we

2400
01:26:38,979 --> 01:26:36,690
have to you know if we wanna be able to

2401
01:26:41,330 --> 01:26:38,989
find out what where we came from

2402
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:41,340
that there has to be a you know an

2403
01:26:46,100 --> 01:26:43,650
actual logical thought process yes to

2404
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:46,110
have evidence not just you know like

2405
01:26:51,229 --> 01:26:48,360
ancient aliens as a religion as opposed

2406
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:51,239
to ancient aliens is a valid no theory

2407
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:52,560
you know there's like this big

2408
01:26:56,010 --> 01:26:53,610
difference in it you know that on the

2409
01:26:58,920 --> 01:26:56,020
one hand is your touch-tone there

2410
01:27:00,420 --> 01:26:58,930
we have a burgeoning industry based

2411
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:00,430
around engine aliens I mean there's not

2412
01:27:04,260 --> 01:27:02,080
no arguing against that we know that

2413
01:27:06,900 --> 01:27:04,270
there is conference is as advanced as

2414
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:06,910
books there's TV shows and there's a

2415
01:27:13,740 --> 01:27:10,480
growing popular States diehard believers

2416
01:27:15,300 --> 01:27:13,750
in certain stories but that when you get

2417
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:15,310
to the root of it you know if you sit me

2418
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:17,170
down with the average ancient aliens

2419
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:19,210
fearest what will happen is I will

2420
01:27:22,770 --> 01:27:20,890
annihilate their items first and then

2421
01:27:24,870 --> 01:27:22,780
they will do what all true faith

2422
01:27:26,460 --> 01:27:24,880
believers do they basically tell you to

2423
01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:26,470
[\h__\h] off and that you know you're a

2424
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:28,030
skeptic and they don't to hear what

2425
01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:28,570
you're saying

2426
01:27:31,770 --> 01:27:30,130
and they close up like any

2427
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:31,780
fundamentalist Christian word if you

2428
01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:34,000
pull apart the Bible because in the end

2429
01:27:37,710 --> 01:27:35,830
there isn't the tangible evidence for

2430
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:37,720
their argument right I know there isn't

2431
01:27:42,150 --> 01:27:39,850
like you don't read them because if

2432
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:42,160
there was you know they need conclusive

2433
01:27:44,850 --> 01:27:43,120
or whether you know at least me it's

2434
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:44,860
conclusive I wouldn't be able to argue

2435
01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:46,210
against them we can be like well what

2436
01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:47,950
about that spaceship that we found you

2437
01:27:50,220 --> 01:27:49,900
know oh yeah yeah that spaceship is

2438
01:27:51,780 --> 01:27:50,230
found

2439
01:27:53,490 --> 01:27:51,790
well yeah you're right it's obviously

2440
01:27:55,710 --> 01:27:53,500
that's real and or you know we found a

2441
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:55,720
two-million-year-old carbon-fiber

2442
01:28:00,300 --> 01:27:58,000
geodesic dome under the Atlantis right

2443
01:28:01,650 --> 01:28:00,310
yeah that must be aliens then because it

2444
01:28:04,020 --> 01:28:01,660
can't be when you have something like

2445
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:04,030
that like everyone else has to shut the

2446
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:05,170
[\h__\h] up you don't believe it

2447
01:28:09,870 --> 01:28:07,210
but until you've got like these sort of

2448
01:28:12,090 --> 01:28:09,880
you know really strong like data points

2449
01:28:13,860 --> 01:28:12,100
but when you're going off of stories

2450
01:28:17,010 --> 01:28:13,870
like I've got a story based on a story

2451
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:17,020
based on a story like I'm sorry but I'm

2452
01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:18,880
not really hard evidence you know it's

2453
01:28:23,340 --> 01:28:21,640
it's it's admissible in the case you

2454
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:23,350
know I mean you can say well it seems

2455
01:28:28,350 --> 01:28:26,560
like searching search of culture like

2456
01:28:29,940 --> 01:28:28,360
had an experience with beings from

2457
01:28:32,220 --> 01:28:29,950
another world because they say you know

2458
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:32,230
I know some beings came down told them

2459
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:33,850
some stuff you know it was really

2460
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:35,410
important so they fermenting their oral

2461
01:28:39,090 --> 01:28:37,360
tradition or they've written it down and

2462
01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:39,100
like so we can say you know well I

2463
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:42,430
suspect that they had a valid experience

2464
01:28:47,340 --> 01:28:45,280
that caused them to believe this you

2465
01:28:50,010 --> 01:28:47,350
know but that's really not the same as

2466
01:28:52,050 --> 01:28:50,020
saying it's proven because an Egyptian

2467
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:52,060
guy once said it you know yeah I know

2468
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:54,130
people meet it today they'll sell you a

2469
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:55,600
line you know tell you some [\h__\h]

2470
01:28:59,880 --> 01:28:57,370
because they just because an ancient

2471
01:29:01,920 --> 01:28:59,890
Egyptian said it it must be a fact that

2472
01:29:03,930 --> 01:29:01,930
aliens came here yeah these are the kind

2473
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:03,940
of problems I think we have within that

2474
01:29:09,090 --> 01:29:06,490
sphere and it is that you know we have

2475
01:29:09,890 --> 01:29:09,100
to were basing it mostly on stories not

2476
01:29:12,380 --> 01:29:09,900
objective

2477
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:12,390
physical evidence not the genetics you

2478
01:29:16,820 --> 01:29:14,610
know typically it's just the stories and

2479
01:29:18,740 --> 01:29:16,830
the stories aren't really consistent you

2480
01:29:20,689 --> 01:29:18,750
know because we could look at a story

2481
01:29:23,060 --> 01:29:20,699
from say the Native American Indians and

2482
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:23,070
their accounts of alien visitations and

2483
01:29:27,050 --> 01:29:25,050
we can contrast that with stories say

2484
01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:27,060
from from the Middle East and stuff way

2485
01:29:30,140 --> 01:29:28,710
way off the ancient Middle East where it

2486
01:29:32,090 --> 01:29:30,150
sounds quite different the nature of

2487
01:29:34,130 --> 01:29:32,100
these events and that they can both be

2488
01:29:35,689 --> 01:29:34,140
valid or they could both be not true you

2489
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:35,699
know this and so we have these kind of

2490
01:29:39,169 --> 01:29:37,170
problems at how do you save all that

2491
01:29:42,169 --> 01:29:39,179
through to make a sort of singular

2492
01:29:43,370 --> 01:29:42,179
cohesive picture and I don't know that

2493
01:29:46,490 --> 01:29:43,380
you can I think that you really needs an

2494
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:46,500
evaluation where we we look at objective

2495
01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:48,449
evidence that supports some of these

2496
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:50,820
stories because it is no good I mean I I

2497
01:29:53,870 --> 01:29:52,440
know that the the one here you know I

2498
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:53,880
try and avoid little bit because you

2499
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:55,290
know everyone hates on you if you dare

2500
01:29:59,600 --> 01:29:57,449
to question you know stitching stories

2501
01:30:01,550 --> 01:29:59,610
and stuff but you know obviously that's

2502
01:30:03,740 --> 01:30:01,560
the most famous that the famous books

2503
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:03,750
you know a Sitchin's books you know and

2504
01:30:07,610 --> 01:30:05,130
we know there are problems in there

2505
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:07,620
because for a start you know he tells us

2506
01:30:13,220 --> 01:30:10,560
that rocket ships specifically rocket

2507
01:30:15,050 --> 01:30:13,230
ships flew to earth with these aliens on

2508
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:15,060
board you know and they did all this

2509
01:30:19,490 --> 01:30:17,370
stuff supposedly I think 400,000 years

2510
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:19,500
ago right so the first thing we have

2511
01:30:24,590 --> 01:30:21,570
there is primitive rocket technology

2512
01:30:27,530 --> 01:30:24,600
right because we know today rocket

2513
01:30:29,450 --> 01:30:27,540
technology is [\h__\h] right we scraped our

2514
01:30:31,220 --> 01:30:29,460
ass to the moon and back right and

2515
01:30:33,500 --> 01:30:31,230
that's it we ain't goin to the Alpha

2516
01:30:35,060 --> 01:30:33,510
Centauri in our rocket ships you know

2517
01:30:36,649 --> 01:30:35,070
where you're not going no way in those

2518
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:36,659
Rockets we didn't even go back to the

2519
01:30:40,669 --> 01:30:38,489
[\h__\h] moon right because it was so

2520
01:30:42,590 --> 01:30:40,679
hard yeah but if you believe we didn't

2521
01:30:44,030 --> 01:30:42,600
go whatever I can tell you now we

2522
01:30:45,709 --> 01:30:44,040
haven't made it to Mars you know we

2523
01:30:47,330 --> 01:30:45,719
haven't made it out to be we are not

2524
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:47,340
going on to the University and rocket

2525
01:30:51,500 --> 01:30:49,050
ships right so then it has to be the

2526
01:30:53,540 --> 01:30:51,510
planet has to be super close to explain

2527
01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:53,550
it you know and then this planet we

2528
01:30:57,890 --> 01:30:56,520
can't see you know it's not crumbling

2529
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:57,900
into this weird story and then you think

2530
01:31:02,990 --> 01:30:59,760
well they on earth four hundred thousand

2531
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,000
years ago right they stay on earth for

2532
01:31:06,649 --> 01:31:04,800
hundreds of thousand years and they fly

2533
01:31:08,630 --> 01:31:06,659
away and their rocket ships basically

2534
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:08,640
there's literally no development in

2535
01:31:13,189 --> 01:31:10,770
their technology in four hundred

2536
01:31:16,340 --> 01:31:13,199
thousand years whereas we have gone from

2537
01:31:18,590 --> 01:31:16,350
you know a wind-up car to our spaceships

2538
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:18,600
in like 100 years but so why is it these

2539
01:31:22,940 --> 01:31:21,480
Anunnaki a totally frozen in time with

2540
01:31:24,380 --> 01:31:22,950
their [\h__\h] rocket ships and this

2541
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:24,390
stuff like that when you look at it and

2542
01:31:27,550 --> 01:31:26,130
you think now that doesn't make any

2543
01:31:30,020 --> 01:31:27,560
sense you know

2544
01:31:31,940 --> 01:31:30,030
Rakesh you wouldn't venture off into

2545
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:31,950
space in your rocket ships you know so

2546
01:31:35,420 --> 01:31:33,090
there's something's not wrong in that

2547
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:35,430
account you know because in the modern

2548
01:31:39,500 --> 01:31:36,690
world where we know that there's better

2549
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:39,510
technologies coming in we know that an

2550
01:31:42,710 --> 01:31:41,010
advanced civilization is not flying

2551
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:42,720
around the universe in Rockets right you

2552
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:44,970
know they've got you know technologies

2553
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:47,610
that probably warp the very fabric of

2554
01:31:50,270 --> 01:31:48,480
space-time

2555
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:50,280
you know because you can't go anywhere

2556
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:52,380
unless you're going at least to close

2557
01:31:55,180 --> 01:31:54,210
light speed and I mean you know so

2558
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:55,190
there's all these kind of

2559
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:57,840
inconsistencies and again that you know

2560
01:32:00,860 --> 01:31:59,280
they can do all this genetic engineering

2561
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:00,870
but they've got technology that's like

2562
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:03,360
less than we had today and so I think

2563
01:32:09,980 --> 01:32:08,370
there's a really strange you know if you

2564
01:32:12,380 --> 01:32:09,990
just take it as transformation of

2565
01:32:13,790 --> 01:32:12,390
someone else's story then that's more

2566
01:32:15,380 --> 01:32:13,800
accurate you know and then you can say

2567
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:15,390
well okay maybe there's something in

2568
01:32:20,060 --> 01:32:17,880
there somewhere that does relate to an

2569
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:20,070
alien visitation but like that's really

2570
01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:22,800
not conclusive proof or anywhere near it

2571
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:23,940
and that it's full of these

2572
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:25,410
inconsistencies that need to be ironed

2573
01:32:29,570 --> 01:32:28,170
out you know so I mean I know you have

2574
01:32:32,060 --> 01:32:29,580
your force like everyone obviously is

2575
01:32:33,620 --> 01:32:32,070
aware of that but this if you dare to

2576
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:33,630
sauce say those things and people say

2577
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:35,520
you're hating on Sitchin and you know

2578
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:37,410
that he's the truth carrier and stuff is

2579
01:32:42,260 --> 01:32:39,450
like well no I just like many people I

2580
01:32:43,790 --> 01:32:42,270
would like to film truth I don't want to

2581
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:43,800
just believe someone else's so because

2582
01:32:47,780 --> 01:32:45,600
we've all grown up believing stories you

2583
01:32:49,670 --> 01:32:47,790
know it's you know biblical stories or

2584
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:49,680
or the history you know the history

2585
01:32:54,740 --> 01:32:52,650
stories and so like wanting the truth

2586
01:32:56,990 --> 01:32:54,750
you know he's really wanting the truth

2587
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:57,000
not that I just want a more exciting

2588
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:00,000
story and that's one of the things that

2589
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:01,650
at least to find with with the decision

2590
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:03,570
is that in the time that he had written

2591
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:06,810
the original his original books the

2592
01:33:12,170 --> 01:33:08,400
technology at least to me after reading

2593
01:33:13,690 --> 01:33:12,180
it now and I you know I'm tend to think

2594
01:33:16,610 --> 01:33:13,700
that it's more along the lines of okay

2595
01:33:18,890 --> 01:33:16,620
it's it reads like science fiction based

2596
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:18,900
on technology that was available then to

2597
01:33:24,110 --> 01:33:22,770
somebody who told you then you know in

2598
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:24,120
the same time it's I have to sit there

2599
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:25,410
and go like well I wasn't alive back

2600
01:33:29,210 --> 01:33:27,330
then I don't know for sure I don't think

2601
01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:29,220
we like we haven't found any evidence

2602
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:31,140
beyond I believe that there are South

2603
01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:34,050
South African gold mines which are you

2604
01:33:37,409 --> 01:33:36,159
know really - which date back

2605
01:33:40,529 --> 01:33:37,419
you know at least Ehlinger it states

2606
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:40,539
that they're like 120,000 years again if

2607
01:33:43,890 --> 01:33:42,010
we're dealing also with footprints that

2608
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:43,900
may or may not be real then there's also

2609
01:33:46,830 --> 01:33:45,130
a matter of okay Lafitte this is being

2610
01:33:48,989 --> 01:33:46,840
said how does it we we can verify the

2611
01:33:50,250 --> 01:33:48,999
data well what's the actual proof in

2612
01:33:51,659 --> 01:33:50,260
evidence and to be able to find that you

2613
01:33:52,620 --> 01:33:51,669
have to actually go there and most

2614
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:52,630
people don't have the time or the energy

2615
01:33:59,279 --> 01:33:56,050
to actually do that now what's been your

2616
01:34:00,929 --> 01:33:59,289
process in in terms of research for like

2617
01:34:03,989 --> 01:34:00,939
you said you've been going through a lot

2618
01:34:05,399 --> 01:34:03,999
of the a lot of the scientific papers

2619
01:34:07,259 --> 01:34:05,409
that have been released have you done

2620
01:34:10,679 --> 01:34:07,269
any traveling yourself or spoken to any

2621
01:34:12,989 --> 01:34:10,689
experts how have you developed and put

2622
01:34:16,049 --> 01:34:12,999
together the information what's your

2623
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:16,059
process particularly for this book I've

2624
01:34:20,419 --> 01:34:18,249
been you know like focused on reading

2625
01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:20,429
through yeah you know published papers

2626
01:34:24,209 --> 01:34:22,780
and you know the articles in the more

2627
01:34:26,089 --> 01:34:24,219
you know I guess respected science

2628
01:34:27,719 --> 01:34:26,099
magazines and so I've had very limited

2629
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:27,729
communication with scientists but more

2630
01:34:31,919 --> 01:34:30,639
now really than during the process I

2631
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:31,929
wanted to be you know quite an

2632
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:34,570
independent review of it you know not to

2633
01:34:37,770 --> 01:34:35,679
be influenced by one particular

2634
01:34:39,239 --> 01:34:37,780
scientist that's willing to help me or

2635
01:34:41,279 --> 01:34:39,249
something you know because inevitably

2636
01:34:43,020 --> 01:34:41,289
then you start taking on their view or

2637
01:34:44,909 --> 01:34:43,030
feeling a sympathy for their view

2638
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:44,919
because you know you don't avenge name

2639
01:34:49,409 --> 01:34:47,530
and shame someone that's been helping

2640
01:34:50,969 --> 01:34:49,419
you or something you know you get put in

2641
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:50,979
these awkward position if you if you

2642
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:52,570
look for help sometimes so I think if

2643
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:54,249
you're looking to criticize a consensus

2644
01:35:01,169 --> 01:34:57,130
view so I in that respect yeah I did do

2645
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:01,179
it all myself and just using you know my

2646
01:35:04,919 --> 01:35:03,489
own time and my own resources to do that

2647
01:35:07,290 --> 01:35:04,929
I have traveled and beans from ancient

2648
01:35:08,819 --> 01:35:07,300
sites you know I've been to Jenny the

2649
01:35:10,529 --> 01:35:08,829
Science Channel chip for the Giants in

2650
01:35:12,959 --> 01:35:10,539
you know into Georgia hiding to the

2651
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:12,969
caucuses you know beats in Mexico have

2652
01:35:16,830 --> 01:35:14,650
been so like you know Palenque and a lot

2653
01:35:19,319 --> 01:35:16,840
of the Mayan sites being out triangle

2654
01:35:22,259 --> 01:35:19,329
wars you know I say marched into the

2655
01:35:23,729 --> 01:35:22,269
jungle in Ecuador to go see a site yeah

2656
01:35:25,140 --> 01:35:23,739
anyone from the UK so I've been around a

2657
01:35:26,969 --> 01:35:25,150
lot of the old stone sites you know you

2658
01:35:29,339 --> 01:35:26,979
know in the UK so I mean I'm willing to

2659
01:35:31,469 --> 01:35:29,349
get my ass out there at the same time I

2660
01:35:33,629 --> 01:35:31,479
recognized my limitations with the

2661
01:35:34,949 --> 01:35:33,639
ability to assess you know that there's

2662
01:35:36,509 --> 01:35:34,959
things you can notice that you know if

2663
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:36,519
you're in an ancient site and you've got

2664
01:35:40,140 --> 01:35:38,650
a sort of critical eye yeah you to

2665
01:35:41,719 --> 01:35:40,150
notice and you think hang on that you

2666
01:35:44,100 --> 01:35:41,729
know that's similar to

2667
01:35:46,319 --> 01:35:44,110
assumable I've seen you know on an

2668
01:35:47,639 --> 01:35:46,329
Egyptian statue or something you know

2669
01:35:49,290 --> 01:35:47,649
you so there's things that you can gain

2670
01:35:50,050 --> 01:35:49,300
by being in those sites even without

2671
01:35:52,090 --> 01:35:50,060
being an act

2672
01:35:54,670 --> 01:35:52,100
make expert you know I don't have to go

2673
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:54,680
at just a sample you know the stone also

2674
01:35:58,540 --> 01:35:56,210
you know yes you know there is an

2675
01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:58,550
advantage to doing that but also to

2676
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:00,320
recognize their limitations I do need to

2677
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:03,410
be able to read those papers if I want

2678
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:05,330
to have you know a real understanding

2679
01:36:10,570 --> 01:36:08,000
you know of the subject so it's

2680
01:36:12,730 --> 01:36:10,580
definitely combination but I'm heavily

2681
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:12,740
reliant Siri for the human evolution

2682
01:36:16,660 --> 01:36:14,510
side of stuff you're heavy reliant on

2683
01:36:18,340 --> 01:36:16,670
the mainstream view because we don't you

2684
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:18,350
know there's not really anyone outside

2685
01:36:25,270 --> 01:36:22,910
of that mainstream that can go to a lab

2686
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:25,280
and do you know genetic testing and work

2687
01:36:29,860 --> 01:36:27,530
out when a population diverged also so

2688
01:36:30,910 --> 01:36:29,870
so we kind of have to use that data you

2689
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:30,920
know I didn't have a choice

2690
01:36:34,780 --> 01:36:33,170
but yeah I do try and get myself out

2691
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:34,790
there to places and see things for

2692
01:36:38,290 --> 01:36:36,770
myself where I can you know I'm not

2693
01:36:40,300 --> 01:36:38,300
afternoon or anything you know if I had

2694
01:36:41,980 --> 01:36:40,310
if I had a million dollars in the bank I

2695
01:36:43,570 --> 01:36:41,990
probably would have solved a lot of the

2696
01:36:45,550 --> 01:36:43,580
mysteries that are in my mind you know

2697
01:36:46,750 --> 01:36:45,560
by now already because once you solve

2698
01:36:48,100 --> 01:36:46,760
know where to look and what you're

2699
01:36:50,050 --> 01:36:48,110
looking for and if you've got the money

2700
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:50,060
in your back pocket you know I think a

2701
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:51,170
lot of these mysteries would evaporate

2702
01:36:56,110 --> 01:36:53,690
pretty fast but I mean not many of us in

2703
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:56,120
this community of fortune and actually

2704
01:37:02,380 --> 01:36:58,010
blessed with you know a bank account to

2705
01:37:04,270 --> 01:37:02,390
slash overflowing with cash so so I

2706
01:37:06,310 --> 01:37:04,280
can't really do that yes I have to be

2707
01:37:08,890 --> 01:37:06,320
able to have sort of made the most of

2708
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:08,900
the resources I've got but considering

2709
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:10,490
that you know I recently had at one

2710
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:12,530
scientist who's you know reviewed my

2711
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:13,760
book and said look you know considering

2712
01:37:18,370 --> 01:37:16,490
you have no training in this and said is

2713
01:37:20,140 --> 01:37:18,380
actually quite astonishing that you've

2714
01:37:22,210 --> 01:37:20,150
managed to do this like seeing in your

2715
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:22,220
bedroom basically on your own like

2716
01:37:25,450 --> 01:37:24,410
rewriting human evolution I mean

2717
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:25,460
considering that you know a new thing

2718
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:28,130
that why I'm against is entire teams of

2719
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:30,290
collaborating universities some of the

2720
01:37:36,340 --> 01:37:32,930
top minds in the world with access to

2721
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:36,350
libraries and new data Sciences and you

2722
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:37,850
know and that they spent seven years at

2723
01:37:43,930 --> 01:37:41,360
least in University specializing versus

2724
01:37:45,250 --> 01:37:43,940
be on my own in my bedroom right on the

2725
01:37:47,230 --> 01:37:45,260
internet you know with no help

2726
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:47,240
like obviously this is my books not

2727
01:37:50,260 --> 01:37:48,650
perfect I wouldn't because I wouldn't

2728
01:37:51,670 --> 01:37:50,270
expect it to be you know in those

2729
01:37:54,370 --> 01:37:51,680
circumstances I don't have those

2730
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,380
resources but I've come up with an

2731
01:37:57,580 --> 01:37:56,000
argument where scientists look in it and

2732
01:38:00,250 --> 01:37:57,590
they say well you know what actually

2733
01:38:02,440 --> 01:38:00,260
it's it's a sensible argument and you've

2734
01:38:03,940 --> 01:38:02,450
put together you know reasonable

2735
01:38:05,740 --> 01:38:03,950
scientific argument

2736
01:38:07,690 --> 01:38:05,750
you know that that we can't just sort of

2737
01:38:09,850 --> 01:38:07,700
say oh you know it was just you know

2738
01:38:11,260 --> 01:38:09,860
another one of these sort of friends

2739
01:38:13,180 --> 01:38:11,270
your turn if research you know they

2740
01:38:16,170 --> 01:38:13,190
can't really say that because it's their

2741
01:38:19,930 --> 01:38:16,180
research and I'm referencing them so I

2742
01:38:23,020 --> 01:38:19,940
think that's why the book is problematic

2743
01:38:24,220 --> 01:38:23,030
for the consensus is because you know if

2744
01:38:25,300 --> 01:38:24,230
you that some of the books you for

2745
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:25,310
earlier on though you mentioned

2746
01:38:29,410 --> 01:38:27,650
obviously we've got like credos stuff

2747
01:38:31,450 --> 01:38:29,420
you know and there's I guess some other

2748
01:38:32,590 --> 01:38:31,460
people like Robert Surfers stuff and

2749
01:38:34,990 --> 01:38:32,600
there's there's people riding on these

2750
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:35,000
kind of evolutionary origins but they

2751
01:38:39,730 --> 01:38:37,130
tend to include a lot of like really

2752
01:38:44,410 --> 01:38:39,740
unsubstantiated arguments I mean I like

2753
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:44,420
the popularity say of the was it the Rh

2754
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:46,130
negative stuff I mean I things like that

2755
01:38:49,450 --> 01:38:47,600
they come up a lot and said but this

2756
01:38:51,790 --> 01:38:49,460
when you look into those arguments

2757
01:38:53,740 --> 01:38:51,800
there's no basis for what they're saying

2758
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:53,750
like if you look at the science papers

2759
01:38:57,700 --> 01:38:55,610
which I do who I mean like I'm an

2760
01:39:00,070 --> 01:38:57,710
abnormal I mean I'm an abnormal person

2761
01:39:01,780 --> 01:39:00,080
who sits there and like looks through

2762
01:39:03,610 --> 01:39:01,790
the papers right because like no one

2763
01:39:07,690 --> 01:39:03,620
else in this probably most people in

2764
01:39:10,210 --> 01:39:07,700
this study area if they're honest will

2765
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:10,220
say no I've never read for a paper on

2766
01:39:15,460 --> 01:39:12,080
you know the the mutations that led

2767
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:15,470
rhesus factor you know like he was doing

2768
01:39:22,150 --> 01:39:17,090
it I mean most normal people aren't

2769
01:39:23,860 --> 01:39:22,160
doing that you know probably being a

2770
01:39:26,890 --> 01:39:23,870
geek abnormal illness and with a bit of

2771
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:26,900
a you know OCD and probably some you

2772
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:28,010
know some other conditions in there

2773
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:29,570
which caused me to want to see the

2774
01:39:33,190 --> 01:39:31,130
connections and understand you know how

2775
01:39:34,300 --> 01:39:33,200
that works and to really go into it and

2776
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:34,310
so that's why maybe let's come up with a

2777
01:39:37,660 --> 01:39:35,690
book like that but it also because I'm

2778
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:37,670
very I look at these arguments I think

2779
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:40,370
hmm so when did you know this factor

2780
01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:43,130
appears that what I find is yeah it

2781
01:39:46,900 --> 01:39:44,780
doesn't add up to why I'm being told

2782
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:46,910
through the alternative view and that

2783
01:39:50,110 --> 01:39:48,650
you know in fact that you know what

2784
01:39:53,410 --> 01:39:50,120
they're telling me is the spear yes

2785
01:39:55,630 --> 01:39:53,420
nonsense with no basis in reality so you

2786
01:39:56,650 --> 01:39:55,640
know I'd like to think the people look

2787
01:39:58,690 --> 01:39:56,660
at my we're seeing that you know I'm

2788
01:40:02,320 --> 01:39:58,700
providing them an argument they can go

2789
01:40:04,690 --> 01:40:02,330
away and check and say look you know

2790
01:40:06,460 --> 01:40:04,700
he's not just plucking this out Finnair

2791
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:06,470
or pulling out of the Hat you know these

2792
01:40:10,090 --> 01:40:08,960
are real studies and that you know where

2793
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:10,100
I find anomalies

2794
01:40:13,660 --> 01:40:11,840
you know I flag anomalies I'm not saying

2795
01:40:16,300 --> 01:40:13,670
that this is like okay it's just really

2796
01:40:18,010 --> 01:40:16,310
boring you know specks on your eyes kind

2797
01:40:19,930 --> 01:40:18,020
of lab coach story

2798
01:40:21,700 --> 01:40:19,940
not there's a love like like amazing

2799
01:40:23,650 --> 01:40:21,710
stuff is happening initially there's a

2800
01:40:26,020 --> 01:40:23,660
lot of mysteries and like this book

2801
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:26,030
focuses on the human journey but I mean

2802
01:40:30,250 --> 01:40:28,250
alongside this there is obviously the

2803
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:30,260
mysteries of lost civilizations there's

2804
01:40:34,690 --> 01:40:32,210
you know I'm certainly I suspect that we

2805
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:34,700
probably have done this before you know

2806
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:37,250
risen to a technological level hard to

2807
01:40:40,150 --> 01:40:39,170
prove but you know again you know as I

2808
01:40:42,370 --> 01:40:40,160
said these things are in the back of my

2809
01:40:44,410 --> 01:40:42,380
mind do I believe it's happened yes I

2810
01:40:46,450 --> 01:40:44,420
believe it's happened can I prove it no

2811
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,460
so it's not in my book you know so but

2812
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:48,080
people shouldn't take it as I'm saying

2813
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,330
that all of this is [\h__\h] because I'm

2814
01:40:55,420 --> 01:40:52,400
not I'm just saying look I'm looking to

2815
01:40:57,190 --> 01:40:55,430
find you the evidence that you could

2816
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:57,200
turn around to your mum and dad and see

2817
01:40:59,890 --> 01:40:57,920
your best mate

2818
01:41:01,450 --> 01:40:59,900
and the bloke at work and say you know

2819
01:41:03,490 --> 01:41:01,460
what there was a lost civilization and

2820
01:41:05,110 --> 01:41:03,500
not have them laugh at you because you

2821
01:41:05,620 --> 01:41:05,120
can say no no look what Bruce has got in

2822
01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:05,630
his book

2823
01:41:11,230 --> 01:41:08,110
this is verifiable objective evidence

2824
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:11,240
reference to mainstream scientists that

2825
01:41:14,590 --> 01:41:13,130
there was this you know so that's what

2826
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:14,600
I'm trying to do something different to

2827
01:41:20,260 --> 01:41:17,210
what I've been used to reading typically

2828
01:41:21,610 --> 01:41:20,270
from other people well you know most

2829
01:41:23,500 --> 01:41:21,620
people will admit they don't like

2830
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:23,510
they'll still argue with me on ancient

2831
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:25,610
aliens forums about how true it is but

2832
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:28,490
ok take your ass into work and tell your

2833
01:41:33,100 --> 01:41:31,010
boss that ancient aliens create people

2834
01:41:34,750 --> 01:41:33,110
because you're so you're so [\h__\h]

2835
01:41:36,610 --> 01:41:34,760
convinced you've got the evidence well

2836
01:41:38,170 --> 01:41:36,620
put up or shut the [\h__\h] up because if

2837
01:41:39,610 --> 01:41:38,180
you have other evidence you should be

2838
01:41:41,140 --> 01:41:39,620
telling your mum you should be telling

2839
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:41,150
the guy at work you know you should be

2840
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:42,800
telling your best mate your girlfriend

2841
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:44,960
that you've got the evidence that aliens

2842
01:41:48,910 --> 01:41:46,730
did it right because if you can only

2843
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:48,920
argue me on [\h__\h] Facebook and say

2844
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:50,690
that it's all true then you're full of

2845
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:52,610
[\h__\h] you know that that's underlying is

2846
01:41:56,500 --> 01:41:54,170
why I think what are you argue people I

2847
01:41:58,630 --> 01:41:56,510
mean yeah yeah you know your front with

2848
01:41:59,860 --> 01:41:58,640
me but I bet you don't have the balls to

2849
01:42:01,660 --> 01:41:59,870
try and say that it's that's true to

2850
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:01,670
people in your day to day reality

2851
01:42:05,500 --> 01:42:03,650
because you know you haven't got that

2852
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:05,510
evidence and that you just have a really

2853
01:42:10,180 --> 01:42:08,330
strong faith you know so there's two

2854
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:10,190
different things in I will argue my

2855
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:11,810
point to be if I believe something I

2856
01:42:14,980 --> 01:42:14,000
will take my ass along and I will tell

2857
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:14,990
you I've chopped everyone I've worked

2858
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:17,330
with you ask any paperwork me and they

2859
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:18,560
tell you what did I talk about work

2860
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:19,970
they'll tell you you talked about

2861
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:22,490
ancient civilizations aliens all sorts

2862
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:24,650
of weird [\h__\h] but I'll back up I say as

2863
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:26,570
best as I [\h__\h] can with evidence and

2864
01:42:30,370 --> 01:42:28,610
like you know that's that's where I'm at

2865
01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:30,380
so you know I don't mind people

2866
01:42:33,770 --> 01:42:31,110
attacking our stuff I

2867
01:42:35,540 --> 01:42:33,780
we'll put my evidence out there what

2868
01:42:38,990 --> 01:42:35,550
have you what push back have you gotten

2869
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:39,000
I obviously you've talked about people

2870
01:42:42,350 --> 01:42:40,800
that you work with whom you know you

2871
01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:42,360
have you've had discussions with for

2872
01:42:46,610 --> 01:42:43,260
people on Facebook

2873
01:42:48,980 --> 01:42:46,620
have you had academic or just standard

2874
01:42:51,620 --> 01:42:48,990
colloquial everyday people saying like

2875
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:51,630
no like you know or Bruce you're full of

2876
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:53,010
[\h__\h] like it was actually the aliens and

2877
01:42:56,110 --> 01:42:54,210
this is why it's the alien it's like you

2878
01:42:58,610 --> 01:42:56,120
there's this happened

2879
01:42:59,960 --> 01:42:58,620
yeah people scare people so say that

2880
01:43:01,790 --> 01:42:59,970
yeah I've had people sort of say you

2881
01:43:03,740 --> 01:43:01,800
know yeah that will cause the Bible

2882
01:43:05,480 --> 01:43:03,750
version that you know all of its true

2883
01:43:07,550 --> 01:43:05,490
not true because of the Bible you know

2884
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:07,560
and that people weren't alive beyond six

2885
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:09,930
thousand years ago or yeah that you know

2886
01:43:13,490 --> 01:43:11,850
you're you're missing the bit where you

2887
01:43:15,110 --> 01:43:13,500
know aliens did it but those people just

2888
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:15,120
are not willing to provide your evidence

2889
01:43:19,340 --> 01:43:17,250
they just tell you that that's how it

2890
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:19,350
happened and you know that's it and

2891
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:20,970
you're supposed to just believe them and

2892
01:43:24,050 --> 01:43:22,560
if you don't they get angry and they

2893
01:43:26,210 --> 01:43:24,060
just like block you or whether you know

2894
01:43:28,610 --> 01:43:26,220
so so to me that's not really a debate

2895
01:43:30,350 --> 01:43:28,620
and if it's just your honor so because

2896
01:43:32,210 --> 01:43:30,360
you don't believe me you're blocked you

2897
01:43:34,190 --> 01:43:32,220
know it's like well you know really

2898
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:34,200
that's like--that's it is it that's what

2899
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:35,520
I'm supposed to take it on it's just

2900
01:43:39,050 --> 01:43:37,410
that a complete stranger told me and

2901
01:43:41,150 --> 01:43:39,060
they offered no evidence and because I

2902
01:43:43,010 --> 01:43:41,160
didn't believe it immediately there's

2903
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:43,020
something wrong with me I mean is that

2904
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:44,850
like what it's supposed to be true

2905
01:43:48,830 --> 01:43:47,280
citizen they're about I mean but doesn't

2906
01:43:50,150 --> 01:43:48,840
feel like truth seeking you know if I

2907
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:50,160
just believe round and face with

2908
01:43:54,110 --> 01:43:51,810
people's claims you know these are

2909
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:54,120
completely unsubstantiated you know just

2910
01:43:56,660 --> 01:43:55,290
because there's twenty of them saying

2911
01:43:57,020 --> 01:43:56,670
the same thing it makes you true or

2912
01:43:58,430 --> 01:43:57,030
something

2913
01:44:01,250 --> 01:43:58,440
you know and that's what usually seems

2914
01:44:03,670 --> 01:44:01,260
to turn into like if I questioned okay

2915
01:44:06,710 --> 01:44:03,680
aliens built puma punku right it's a

2916
01:44:08,150 --> 01:44:06,720
classic claim which has been promoted

2917
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:08,160
again and again and again you know that

2918
01:44:14,500 --> 01:44:10,890
the evidence of the stonework puma

2919
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:14,510
punku-- means it must be aliens right

2920
01:44:19,400 --> 01:44:17,130
doesn't eat that i've been to egypt

2921
01:44:23,210 --> 01:44:19,410
right i can tell you what you can see

2922
01:44:25,730 --> 01:44:23,220
stone crafting of a quality far beyond

2923
01:44:27,890 --> 01:44:25,740
puma punku all over the place in Egypt

2924
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:27,900
you know from older periods going back a

2925
01:44:30,530 --> 01:44:29,040
couple thousand years or more

2926
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:30,540
puma punku spoke about seven hundred

2927
01:44:35,450 --> 01:44:34,050
years old right okay a Geneva 5,000

2928
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:35,460
years of stone we're going on there as

2929
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:37,650
some of these you look anything my god

2930
01:44:43,459 --> 01:44:40,290
that must be made in a factory we'd like

2931
01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:43,469
robot laser technologies precision right

2932
01:44:48,169 --> 01:44:45,360
you're looking it looks brand-new you

2933
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:48,179
know glass smooth stone surfaces and

2934
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:49,650
then they point a puma punku and say

2935
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:52,290
aliens must've made that look if it has

2936
01:44:56,540 --> 01:44:54,060
made that then we have to just fold the

2937
01:44:59,060 --> 01:44:56,550
cards and say aliens made every building

2938
01:45:01,040 --> 01:44:59,070
basically ever every anywhere because

2939
01:45:02,899 --> 01:45:01,050
we're [\h__\h] at making stuff and only

2940
01:45:05,419 --> 01:45:02,909
aliens can make good buildings you know

2941
01:45:07,399 --> 01:45:05,429
and I think that's a like a ludicrous

2942
01:45:09,919 --> 01:45:07,409
argument that you know we know that

2943
01:45:12,290 --> 01:45:09,929
there was ancient stonemasons who worked

2944
01:45:14,660 --> 01:45:12,300
to incredible high standards and they

2945
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:14,670
did polish finish their stones and you

2946
01:45:18,500 --> 01:45:16,770
know did make things look you know that

2947
01:45:20,990 --> 01:45:18,510
they were cut almost to laser precision

2948
01:45:22,580 --> 01:45:21,000
but if you measure you know particularly

2949
01:45:23,930 --> 01:45:22,590
clima punky you measure the angles and

2950
01:45:25,819 --> 01:45:23,940
stuff you find they're not perfect right

2951
01:45:27,979 --> 01:45:25,829
angles you know and you find that there

2952
01:45:29,780 --> 01:45:27,989
are errors you know you also find that

2953
01:45:31,459 --> 01:45:29,790
the stone it's not as hard as that we're

2954
01:45:35,089 --> 01:45:31,469
told it's not dire right you know this

2955
01:45:37,220 --> 01:45:35,099
most is red sandstone and it's um some

2956
01:45:39,020 --> 01:45:37,230
of it is a harder stone not diary I

2957
01:45:40,580 --> 01:45:39,030
figure on the name but these are stones

2958
01:45:42,919 --> 01:45:40,590
that can be worked with the available

2959
01:45:44,689 --> 01:45:42,929
tools basically we know that the culture

2960
01:45:48,350 --> 01:45:44,699
that had brass because they found brass

2961
01:45:51,319 --> 01:45:48,360
smelting kits right so brass tools plus

2962
01:45:53,810 --> 01:45:51,329
stone tools are sufficient for working

2963
01:45:54,319 --> 01:45:53,820
the stones that you find on-site at puma

2964
01:45:57,530 --> 01:45:54,329
punku

2965
01:45:59,180 --> 01:45:57,540
I'm not saying been easy you wouldn't be

2966
01:46:00,830 --> 01:45:59,190
but you know we know that these people

2967
01:46:03,140 --> 01:46:00,840
when they go about building a sacred

2968
01:46:04,609 --> 01:46:03,150
structure it's not about easiness you

2969
01:46:06,649 --> 01:46:04,619
know they're willing to put in the time

2970
01:46:08,930 --> 01:46:06,659
the effort the Egyptians putting immense

2971
01:46:10,129 --> 01:46:08,940
efforts to build sacred structures so

2972
01:46:12,589 --> 01:46:10,139
we're not saying it's like yeah they

2973
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:12,599
just come in and chisel in a day you

2974
01:46:15,770 --> 01:46:14,250
know it could be lifetimes to finish a

2975
01:46:18,319 --> 01:46:15,780
temple you know we don't know you know

2976
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:18,329
sometimes it can take a long time but

2977
01:46:22,879 --> 01:46:20,250
they are working to high standards they

2978
01:46:25,010 --> 01:46:22,889
want it to be perfect you know I I just

2979
01:46:27,050 --> 01:46:25,020
I find it it's a shame that people

2980
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:27,060
default to this thing of that it looks

2981
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:29,280
so good it must be aliens you know

2982
01:46:33,229 --> 01:46:32,010
instead of wow you know the crafting

2983
01:46:35,870 --> 01:46:33,239
skills of some of these ancient cultures

2984
01:46:37,729 --> 01:46:35,880
were really cool you know and that

2985
01:46:38,899 --> 01:46:37,739
they've managed to do this so that to me

2986
01:46:41,359 --> 01:46:38,909
you know these arguments of that you

2987
01:46:42,770 --> 01:46:41,369
know again I I'm not personally seen any

2988
01:46:45,740 --> 01:46:42,780
convincing evidence

2989
01:46:48,050 --> 01:46:45,750
the aliens have directly built any stone

2990
01:46:49,310 --> 01:46:48,060
structure on this planet and I don't

2991
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:49,320
believe an advanced extraterrestrial

2992
01:46:53,930 --> 01:46:52,110
race would work with these megalithic

2993
01:46:56,660 --> 01:46:53,940
blocks and so I don't see the logic to

2994
01:46:58,660 --> 01:46:56,670
it because like if I can fly like

2995
01:47:01,220 --> 01:46:58,670
conceptualised like a type 2 or type 3

2996
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:01,230
civilization that can like travel

2997
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:02,730
through the universe using wormhole

2998
01:47:06,980 --> 01:47:04,530
technologies has you know a vast

2999
01:47:08,900 --> 01:47:06,990
starship that comes in schwarber lands

3000
01:47:10,550 --> 01:47:08,910
in its robot drones they survey the

3001
01:47:12,290 --> 01:47:10,560
surface you know and then they think

3002
01:47:13,250 --> 01:47:12,300
well we need a base send down the

3003
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:13,260
nanobots

3004
01:47:16,910 --> 01:47:15,450
you know just we construct the material

3005
01:47:19,190 --> 01:47:16,920
there and build us some sort of you know

3006
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,200
a carbon-fiber geodesic dome with

3007
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:21,360
atmosphere control so we can go down

3008
01:47:26,540 --> 01:47:24,570
there and live right that's what a tight

3009
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:26,550
to their civilization does I said you

3010
01:47:30,590 --> 01:47:28,560
know I mean you don't get there say now

3011
01:47:33,290 --> 01:47:30,600
go down with your hammers boys and build

3012
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:33,300
us some rock shelters what the [\h__\h] you

3013
01:47:36,350 --> 01:47:34,770
know you've come there in a starship

3014
01:47:38,780 --> 01:47:36,360
from the other side of the [\h__\h]

3015
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:38,790
universe through a wormhole and you're

3016
01:47:42,530 --> 01:47:41,040
building me some [\h__\h] bricks and if

3017
01:47:45,230 --> 01:47:42,540
that's all your [\h__\h] you've got some

3018
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:45,240
drills that I mean like [\h__\h] heaven

3019
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:47,370
help me you know if that's that's the

3020
01:47:51,500 --> 01:47:49,410
technology we're giving these aliens we

3021
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:51,510
really understand the selling aliens and

3022
01:47:55,330 --> 01:47:53,280
but understanding our ancestors at the

3023
01:47:57,860 --> 01:47:55,340
same time because there's no [\h__\h] no

3024
01:47:59,840 --> 01:47:57,870
[\h__\h] way that you've got the

3025
01:48:01,580 --> 01:47:59,850
technology to travel across universe but

3026
01:48:03,590 --> 01:48:01,590
you have to build cuma [\h__\h] punku

3027
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:03,600
you know as your base of operations like

3028
01:48:09,710 --> 01:48:06,170
I'm not buying it not [\h__\h] buying it

3029
01:48:11,420 --> 01:48:09,720
it's it's like we were expecting you

3030
01:48:13,340 --> 01:48:11,430
know advanced advanced spacefaring

3031
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:13,350
civilization we got giant [\h__\h] DUPLO

3032
01:48:21,860 --> 01:48:19,770
bomb I mean we know that we're on the

3033
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:21,870
cusp of these technologies right yeah we

3034
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:23,970
know that a hundred years I won't be

3035
01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,770
living like that I would be like but my

3036
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:27,600
children might my descendants they won't

3037
01:48:31,310 --> 01:48:29,370
be living in like a red brick house or

3038
01:48:33,470 --> 01:48:31,320
you know nanobots and stuff will

3039
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:33,480
literally be able to reconstruct

3040
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:36,000
materials from base materials that found

3041
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:37,410
in a location we know that we this

3042
01:48:40,430 --> 01:48:38,610
technology's already there in the

3043
01:48:42,290 --> 01:48:40,440
background that we know we're building

3044
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,300
these mini nanobots you can terraform

3045
01:48:45,860 --> 01:48:43,920
with you know that we know that there's

3046
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:45,870
going to be advances astonishing

3047
01:48:48,710 --> 01:48:47,280
advances in the next hundred years if we

3048
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:48,720
haven't wiped ourselves out you know

3049
01:48:51,980 --> 01:48:50,250
we've already got this or emdrive

3050
01:48:54,460 --> 01:48:51,990
technology coming in which you know

3051
01:48:56,420 --> 01:48:54,470
conceivably take us to mars in 70 days

3052
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:56,430
you know we've got these we're right on

3053
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:58,320
that cusp and if you and if you accept

3054
01:49:02,030 --> 01:49:00,000
some of the stories and whispers you

3055
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:02,040
know breakaway parts of the government

3056
01:49:05,570 --> 01:49:03,840
probably in the blackops already have

3057
01:49:07,580 --> 01:49:05,580
these kind of technologies anyway but

3058
01:49:09,220 --> 01:49:07,590
the public always is the filter down

3059
01:49:11,170 --> 01:49:09,230
technologies

3060
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:11,180
where you know we can see though that it

3061
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:13,370
doesn't make sense that that we will go

3062
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:15,410
out into the universe and arrive there

3063
01:49:19,570 --> 01:49:17,690
with like you know pneumatic drills and

3064
01:49:22,030 --> 01:49:19,580
hammers and you know it like I don't

3065
01:49:23,950 --> 01:49:22,040
believe you you know I hope that added

3066
01:49:28,810 --> 01:49:23,960
me it's just totally unreasonable

3067
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:28,820
totally unreasonable no you know there's

3068
01:49:33,010 --> 01:49:31,010
some press in some places but there's

3069
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:33,020
nothing that really stinks of like alien

3070
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:34,610
involvement where I think we can see

3071
01:49:37,870 --> 01:49:36,650
Vince is maybe a knowledge transfer that

3072
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:37,880
you know that there's sometimes there

3073
01:49:41,650 --> 01:49:40,130
seems to be some certain leaps in

3074
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:41,660
knowledge or there's understandings at

3075
01:49:45,220 --> 01:49:43,280
the cosmos we wouldn't expect or things

3076
01:49:47,890 --> 01:49:45,230
like that that you know the transfer of

3077
01:49:51,070 --> 01:49:47,900
information from non-human intelligences

3078
01:49:52,270 --> 01:49:51,080
I believe is is quite you know I think

3079
01:49:53,290 --> 01:49:52,280
it happens you know but I think it

3080
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:53,300
happens in different ways I think that

3081
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:54,890
potentially it's happened through

3082
01:49:58,180 --> 01:49:56,330
altered states of consciousness for

3083
01:50:00,850 --> 01:49:58,190
start and we know that people being

3084
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:00,860
communing with non-human entities

3085
01:50:05,080 --> 01:50:03,050
through altered states since the dawn of

3086
01:50:08,050 --> 01:50:05,090
time you know and that these entities

3087
01:50:10,180 --> 01:50:08,060
give useful helpful you know practical

3088
01:50:12,580 --> 01:50:10,190
information right including stories like

3089
01:50:14,380 --> 01:50:12,590
the flood people were told that there

3090
01:50:16,150 --> 01:50:14,390
was going to be a [\h__\h] big flood and

3091
01:50:18,370 --> 01:50:16,160
they didn't say just some guy told them

3092
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:18,380
you know it was beings or entities or

3093
01:50:22,510 --> 01:50:20,239
gods or you know that they were in these

3094
01:50:24,460 --> 01:50:22,520
altered states somebody was telling the

3095
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:24,470
shaman's and the priests look man

3096
01:50:28,570 --> 01:50:26,690
there's this real bad [\h__\h] coming you

3097
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:28,580
know take your people and get the [\h__\h]

3098
01:50:32,170 --> 01:50:30,890
out of here so I mean that sort of

3099
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:32,180
information I think is always being

3100
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,770
transferred to us from somewhere and

3101
01:50:38,620 --> 01:50:36,080
then also you know yeah people have very

3102
01:50:40,090 --> 01:50:38,630
believable contacts with with physical

3103
01:50:42,610 --> 01:50:40,100
seeming aliens you know that there's

3104
01:50:44,140 --> 01:50:42,620
everyday jobs that are taken up into you

3105
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:44,150
know into what seemed to be crossed well

3106
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:45,410
they have experiences that lend

3107
01:50:48,430 --> 01:50:47,360
themselves to being you know what sounds

3108
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:48,440
like they're taking somewhere and

3109
01:50:52,570 --> 01:50:50,290
they're shown things they're shown like

3110
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:52,580
consistent technologies you know that

3111
01:50:55,720 --> 01:50:53,930
with their show things that appear again

3112
01:50:57,610 --> 01:50:55,730
and again in accounts you know they're

3113
01:51:00,340 --> 01:50:57,620
told information that appears again and

3114
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:00,350
again in accounts so I mean I do accept

3115
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:02,090
that there's knowledge transfer from

3116
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,130
non-human beings whether they're

3117
01:51:08,890 --> 01:51:06,560
physical or non-physical right

3118
01:51:11,050 --> 01:51:08,900
but I take that line of research very

3119
01:51:12,610 --> 01:51:11,060
differently to this wonder that they

3120
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:12,620
landed and built the pyramids and they

3121
01:51:15,550 --> 01:51:13,970
built the Mayan temples and they built

3122
01:51:16,690 --> 01:51:15,560
this and they built that there's no real

3123
01:51:18,220 --> 01:51:16,700
reason why they need to build all those

3124
01:51:20,830 --> 01:51:18,230
things that those things serve human

3125
01:51:22,110 --> 01:51:20,840
interests and human needs you know they

3126
01:51:24,570 --> 01:51:22,120
don't serve alien

3127
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:24,580
NEADS so I mean it's I think there's a

3128
01:51:27,900 --> 01:51:25,930
there's a problem in this when we put

3129
01:51:29,580 --> 01:51:27,910
everything into one story that you know

3130
01:51:30,780 --> 01:51:29,590
the people said that the gods came or

3131
01:51:32,430 --> 01:51:30,790
the people said the gods talk to them

3132
01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:32,440
therefore the gods mr. LAN didn't done

3133
01:51:36,090 --> 01:51:33,970
everything you know everything set up

3134
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:36,100
the society you know did all of the work

3135
01:51:39,750 --> 01:51:38,410
like I don't know I don't think so I

3136
01:51:41,700 --> 01:51:39,760
think that we have to sort of rationally

3137
01:51:48,030 --> 01:51:41,710
look at that and say yeah okay we've got

3138
01:51:52,710 --> 01:51:48,040
a fair K even from beyond if some sort

3139
01:51:58,990 --> 01:51:55,990
okay I think we lost that last one I

3140
01:52:00,370 --> 01:51:59,000
know that we're a good 20,000 kilometers

3141
01:52:02,710 --> 01:52:00,380
apart in the Internet can sometimes be a

3142
01:52:05,530 --> 01:52:02,720
little wonky when talking with Australia

3143
01:52:08,430 --> 01:52:05,540
but you said that the last part you said

3144
01:52:13,330 --> 01:52:08,440
that there was no clear case of any

3145
01:52:14,620 --> 01:52:13,340
extraterrestrial building yeah building

3146
01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:14,630
new ADIZ okay

3147
01:52:19,480 --> 01:52:15,920
you know that's yeah it's a very

3148
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:19,490
different argument now because we're

3149
01:52:23,950 --> 01:52:21,290
nearing the end of the program and I I

3150
01:52:27,010 --> 01:52:23,960
did have one question for myself as well

3151
01:52:31,660 --> 01:52:27,020
I know that Lee from Chad is asking your

3152
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:31,670
your thoughts on AI and how well just

3153
01:52:34,030 --> 01:52:32,690
basic your thoughts on the eye and I

3154
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:34,040
know that there's a lot of talk nowadays

3155
01:52:39,070 --> 01:52:35,690
of that essentially being potentially

3156
01:52:40,810 --> 01:52:39,080
the way that we go out you know the AI

3157
01:52:41,980 --> 01:52:40,820
realizes that hey why the hell are these

3158
01:52:43,780 --> 01:52:41,990
humans here telling me what to do when

3159
01:52:46,440 --> 01:52:43,790
you know I could just do things myself

3160
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:46,450
and I know that we've even touched on

3161
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:50,480
certain things with you know through

3162
01:52:54,670 --> 01:52:52,930
guards to megalithic structures just

3163
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:54,680
barely and I know that we haven't even

3164
01:53:00,190 --> 01:52:57,050
talked to any any about in Australia so

3165
01:53:01,570 --> 01:53:00,200
I'd like to be able to get your yeah so

3166
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:01,580
we should probably give it a bit more of

3167
01:53:07,660 --> 01:53:04,010
the overview of yeah why Australian yeah

3168
01:53:10,630 --> 01:53:07,670
but what are we to do do i tackle the AI

3169
01:53:12,010 --> 01:53:10,640
or the tackle australia or tackle tackle

3170
01:53:15,370 --> 01:53:12,020
australia see if we could transition in

3171
01:53:17,620 --> 01:53:15,380
AI and then we'll close up okay yeah

3172
01:53:20,710 --> 01:53:17,630
look the argument i put forward

3173
01:53:21,670 --> 01:53:20,720
basically is that rather than but we've

3174
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:21,680
already covered that you know homo

3175
01:53:24,670 --> 01:53:24,050
erectus came out of Africa they were

3176
01:53:26,830 --> 01:53:24,680
widespread

3177
01:53:28,780 --> 01:53:26,840
you know 1.8 million years ago 1 million

3178
01:53:30,820 --> 01:53:28,790
years ago they have reached Indonesia

3179
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:30,830
once you cross over what's called the

3180
01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:32,930
Wallace Line which is a chia-chia

3181
01:53:37,030 --> 01:53:34,490
logical as a geographic geological

3182
01:53:39,310 --> 01:53:37,040
division down in Indonesia which divides

3183
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:39,320
Australasia from Southeast Asia right

3184
01:53:42,820 --> 01:53:41,210
that's why you have on one side you have

3185
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:42,830
mammals on the other side you have

3186
01:53:48,520 --> 01:53:45,890
marsupials right so large mammals have

3187
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:48,530
never crossed ok 1 million years ago the

3188
01:53:51,190 --> 01:53:49,010
first

3189
01:53:53,590 --> 01:53:51,200
hominin groups across you know arrives

3190
01:53:55,480 --> 01:53:53,600
on Flores now he's considered is

3191
01:53:58,150 --> 01:53:55,490
considered in sort of human terms that

3192
01:54:00,160 --> 01:53:58,160
once anyone crosses the Wallace Line

3193
01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:00,170
he's inevitable that they were soon

3194
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:02,210
after reach Australia because there was

3195
01:54:07,300 --> 01:54:05,330
no longer any real barrier okay

3196
01:54:09,310 --> 01:54:07,310
or the fast currents and all of that has

3197
01:54:12,010 --> 01:54:09,320
been crossed so if you've made it that

3198
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:12,020
far you're within a short step to

3199
01:54:16,510 --> 01:54:14,690
Australia so my argument is that these

3200
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:16,520
people inevitably reached Australia

3201
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:19,250
almost immediately afterwards and that

3202
01:54:23,490 --> 01:54:21,770
what we have is the problem we have and

3203
01:54:26,260 --> 01:54:23,500
people say well where's all their bones

3204
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:26,270
under that sea-level rise because you

3205
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:27,650
know as we said earlier we've had an

3206
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:30,530
enormous sea level rise the coastline of

3207
01:54:35,260 --> 01:54:32,960
Australia has been enormous Lee reduced

3208
01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:35,270
so all of the arrival sites are now deep

3209
01:54:39,310 --> 01:54:37,280
under the sea so we don't see bones

3210
01:54:41,110 --> 01:54:39,320
there you know of a million years ago

3211
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:41,120
because they're deep ends of the sea

3212
01:54:46,810 --> 01:54:43,850
so one stared we find is we have

3213
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:46,820
evidence that the much later settlements

3214
01:54:51,630 --> 01:54:49,370
which go back at the moment to the very

3215
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:51,640
earliest evidence that's I guess

3216
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,570
scientific if you like it's about a

3217
01:54:57,580 --> 01:54:55,040
hundred and twenty thousand years ago

3218
01:54:59,410 --> 01:54:57,590
there's this evidence we call firestick

3219
01:55:02,260 --> 01:54:59,420
farming and parts of Australia that go

3220
01:55:03,670 --> 01:55:02,270
back under in 20,000 years like things

3221
01:55:06,040 --> 01:55:03,680
in Lake Victoria and also the Great

3222
01:55:07,810 --> 01:55:06,050
Barrier Reef there's also there's been

3223
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:07,820
some genomes detected in people in the

3224
01:55:12,340 --> 01:55:09,770
Northeast that suggested they were from

3225
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:12,350
a group that arrived 220,000 years ago

3226
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:14,810
so this dates come up a few times and

3227
01:55:19,570 --> 01:55:17,210
then the site's themselves the oldest

3228
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:19,580
sites are suggesting it's about 80,000

3229
01:55:23,860 --> 01:55:21,440
years ago this is so in the North 65 to

3230
01:55:26,980 --> 01:55:23,870
80 thousand another in the South it's 70

3231
01:55:30,100 --> 01:55:26,990
to 80 thousand so we know that we have

3232
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:30,110
these there's a gap basically you know

3233
01:55:34,630 --> 01:55:31,850
so I'm arguing that the first hominids

3234
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:34,640
arrived and that there in Australia they

3235
01:55:38,500 --> 01:55:36,770
underwent accelerated evolution and this

3236
01:55:39,850 --> 01:55:38,510
is so mid Shikoku recently spoke on it

3237
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:39,860
said you know Australia's unique because

3238
01:55:45,130 --> 01:55:41,930
once there there have been a completely

3239
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:45,140
new unique environment with unique flora

3240
01:55:48,670 --> 01:55:47,090
and fauna which would have led to an

3241
01:55:51,070 --> 01:55:48,680
isolated population going through

3242
01:55:52,870 --> 01:55:51,080
accelerated evolution so that there's

3243
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:52,880
nowhere else like it on the planet so

3244
01:55:57,460 --> 01:55:55,250
those people that arrived suddenly had

3245
01:56:00,580 --> 01:55:57,470
enormous evolutionary pressures right

3246
01:56:02,530 --> 01:56:00,590
and I believe it's there where the split

3247
01:56:04,350 --> 01:56:02,540
occurs at 800,000 years ago not that

3248
01:56:07,390 --> 01:56:04,360
long after they've come in from Flores

3249
01:56:09,670 --> 01:56:07,400
that we have the sudden split into

3250
01:56:12,310 --> 01:56:09,680
multiple lineages like the Neanderthals

3251
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:12,320
Denisovans I'm sure many others I

3252
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:14,570
believe there's an anomalous event there

3253
01:56:18,359 --> 01:56:16,880
and that will appear in another argument

3254
01:56:20,939 --> 01:56:18,369
in a separate book

3255
01:56:22,140 --> 01:56:20,949
I'm not going to be here because I like

3256
01:56:25,649 --> 01:56:22,150
to put the evidence with it there is an

3257
01:56:28,410 --> 01:56:25,659
anomalous event 800,000 years ago and

3258
01:56:30,510 --> 01:56:28,420
that I believe it then later on that we

3259
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:30,520
can see that there's waves of humans

3260
01:56:34,859 --> 01:56:32,320
moving up from Australia into Southeast

3261
01:56:37,410 --> 01:56:34,869
Asia in China East Asia and then

3262
01:56:40,229 --> 01:56:37,420
spreading across Eurasia back into

3263
01:56:42,450 --> 01:56:40,239
Africa and also into Europe and and

3264
01:56:45,359 --> 01:56:42,460
that's the the model here and one of

3265
01:56:47,879 --> 01:56:45,369
those ways is it around 300,000 years

3266
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:47,889
ago if we based on the finds that

3267
01:56:51,689 --> 01:56:49,360
Morocco

3268
01:56:53,370 --> 01:56:51,699
jabo no hood which recently was famous

3269
01:56:54,479 --> 01:56:53,380
look where Morocco is you know I'm

3270
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:54,489
pretty sure those people jumped across

3271
01:56:58,620 --> 01:56:56,320
from Spain and they weren't just

3272
01:57:02,700 --> 01:56:58,630
wandering an Africa Morocco is a place

3273
01:57:04,049 --> 01:57:02,710
to arrive in Africa right on a boat and

3274
01:57:07,919 --> 01:57:04,059
then also the other place where you find

3275
01:57:09,660 --> 01:57:07,929
very old Homo sapiens is East Africa

3276
01:57:11,790 --> 01:57:09,670
very near to the entrance point of

3277
01:57:13,260 --> 01:57:11,800
bab-el-mandeb so funnily enough the

3278
01:57:15,569 --> 01:57:13,270
oldest fossils in africa are all at

3279
01:57:19,379 --> 01:57:15,579
entrance sites as if people were coming

3280
01:57:21,330 --> 01:57:19,389
in right and then you find there's a

3281
01:57:22,500 --> 01:57:21,340
later wave and some of these people may

3282
01:57:24,750 --> 01:57:22,510
gone in and done a right and come back

3283
01:57:26,970 --> 01:57:24,760
out in fact there's evidence 150

3284
01:57:29,310 --> 01:57:26,980
thousand years ago of Homo sapiens

3285
01:57:29,970 --> 01:57:29,320
encountering the descendants of Homo

3286
01:57:32,729 --> 01:57:29,980
ergaster

3287
01:57:34,770 --> 01:57:32,739
in Africa for the first time in one book

3288
01:57:36,569 --> 01:57:34,780
you know in over a million years because

3289
01:57:38,250 --> 01:57:36,579
they recently found that there's it's a

3290
01:57:40,049 --> 01:57:38,260
lie of a gene which has been linked to a

3291
01:57:42,510 --> 01:57:40,059
ghost population in Africa people have

3292
01:57:43,919 --> 01:57:42,520
read that article when they say 150

3293
01:57:45,660 --> 01:57:43,929
round hundred fifty thousand years ago

3294
01:57:47,609 --> 01:57:45,670
after firkin ancestors interbred with a

3295
01:57:49,020 --> 01:57:47,619
ghost population that may have been the

3296
01:57:50,700 --> 01:57:49,030
descendants of Homo ergaster

3297
01:57:51,779 --> 01:57:50,710
and the thing is that tells you

3298
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:51,789
something because that tells you that

3299
01:57:57,270 --> 01:57:54,610
we've been cut off from those Homo

3300
01:58:00,240 --> 01:57:57,280
ergaster descendants until 150,000 years

3301
01:58:02,129 --> 01:58:00,250
ago if we were living alongside them why

3302
01:58:03,629 --> 01:58:02,139
is there suddenly evidence that we've

3303
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:03,639
been separated than 150 thousand years

3304
01:58:06,959 --> 01:58:04,570
ago we were to be interbreeding with

3305
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:06,969
them a long time right so we've been cut

3306
01:58:11,549 --> 01:58:09,010
off from Africa for a vast period since

3307
01:58:13,470 --> 01:58:11,559
Homo erectus left and we return around

3308
01:58:15,390 --> 01:58:13,480
about 300 to 200 thousand years ago and

3309
01:58:18,209 --> 01:58:15,400
begin to move down into africa until we

3310
01:58:20,399 --> 01:58:18,219
meet these people about 200 250 thousand

3311
01:58:24,510 --> 01:58:20,409
years ago and then another wave comes

3312
01:58:26,069 --> 01:58:24,520
out of the Asian region later on we got

3313
01:58:27,209 --> 01:58:26,079
at this point on the to try this quickly

3314
01:58:29,430 --> 01:58:27,219
just look if you've got me over the

3315
01:58:32,280 --> 01:58:29,440
model so from this point onwards Eurasia

3316
01:58:34,439 --> 01:58:32,290
Africa Australia a popular

3317
01:58:36,570 --> 01:58:34,449
from 300,000 years ago onwards there's

3318
01:58:38,700 --> 01:58:36,580
pockets of humans of various types all

3319
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:38,710
across right and then we have the

3320
01:58:44,580 --> 01:58:41,679
disaster at 73 thousand years ago which

3321
01:58:46,350 --> 01:58:44,590
eradicate almost all Eurasian hominins a

3322
01:58:47,879 --> 01:58:46,360
few Neanderthals surviving Western

3323
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:47,889
Europe and up in the North they've

3324
01:58:52,020 --> 01:58:50,170
adapted to the cold and they managed to

3325
01:58:53,459 --> 01:58:52,030
survive in pockets or so in in the

3326
01:58:55,859 --> 01:58:53,469
Middle East but everywhere else they're

3327
01:58:57,870 --> 01:58:55,869
dead the Denisovans ornate almost all of

3328
01:59:00,089 --> 01:58:57,880
them are dead right most of the modern

3329
01:59:02,430 --> 01:59:00,099
humans in Eurasia are dead what we have

3330
01:59:05,580 --> 01:59:02,440
is to survival pockets below the equator

3331
01:59:07,379 --> 01:59:05,590
ones in sub-saharan Africa and one is in

3332
01:59:09,180 --> 01:59:07,389
Australasia for a very long time only

3333
01:59:10,950 --> 01:59:09,190
one of those was recognized which is the

3334
01:59:12,510 --> 01:59:10,960
sub-saharan Africans and that was why

3335
01:59:14,010 --> 01:59:12,520
the default model was Out of Africa

3336
01:59:16,169 --> 01:59:14,020
because it was believed that we weren't

3337
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:16,179
anywhere else but now we're finding

3338
01:59:20,010 --> 01:59:17,920
evidence of engine 20 thousand year old

3339
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:20,020
presence in Australasia which blows that

3340
01:59:23,939 --> 01:59:22,210
out of the water because then you have

3341
01:59:25,560 --> 01:59:23,949
to say well what about these people

3342
01:59:27,959 --> 01:59:25,570
they obviously weathered the storm too

3343
01:59:29,100 --> 01:59:27,969
you know and then it's did it and then

3344
01:59:31,939 --> 01:59:29,110
this is from the main point but people

3345
01:59:34,890 --> 01:59:31,949
in 60,000 years ago the popular

3346
01:59:36,750 --> 01:59:34,900
repopulating of Eurasia begins it's not

3347
01:59:38,640 --> 01:59:36,760
a colonization because people used to

3348
01:59:41,070 --> 01:59:38,650
live there but they've been wiped out

3349
01:59:43,410 --> 01:59:41,080
and what we find is that 60,000 years

3350
01:59:45,390 --> 01:59:43,420
ago people move back into Eurasia that

3351
01:59:48,180 --> 01:59:45,400
the first places they appear as

3352
01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:48,190
Southeast Asia then East Asia Central

3353
01:59:52,410 --> 01:59:50,110
Asia and finally they gets the Middle

3354
01:59:54,060 --> 01:59:52,420
East then Europe then North Africa which

3355
01:59:56,040 --> 01:59:54,070
way is that moving is it moving out of

3356
01:59:58,260 --> 01:59:56,050
Africa it doesn't sound like it to me

3357
02:00:00,149 --> 01:59:58,270
and this is all that's all validated you

3358
02:00:02,370 --> 02:00:00,159
can check check the genetic data and

3359
02:00:03,899 --> 02:00:02,380
you're fine the older populations are

3360
02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:03,909
over in the East and they're moving

3361
02:00:07,979 --> 02:00:05,440
westward and this has always been an

3362
02:00:10,020 --> 02:00:07,989
anomaly in the Out of Africa model which

3363
02:00:11,970 --> 02:00:10,030
is why they said perhaps we raced out of

3364
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:11,980
Africa ran along the coasts of South

3365
02:00:16,830 --> 02:00:14,650
Asia ran into Australia and then moved

3366
02:00:18,780 --> 02:00:16,840
backwards and that was where those this

3367
02:00:20,820 --> 02:00:18,790
big a logical leap that couldn't be

3368
02:00:23,399 --> 02:00:20,830
substantiated by any evidence at all

3369
02:00:25,140 --> 02:00:23,409
just this this gripping onto this we

3370
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:25,150
must have come out of Africa when all

3371
02:00:29,669 --> 02:00:27,730
the evidence the whole time has pointed

3372
02:00:32,339 --> 02:00:29,679
to us coming out of Australia and now we

3373
02:00:35,100 --> 02:00:32,349
know that we have sites older than

3374
02:00:37,229 --> 02:00:35,110
60,000 years in Australia and that this

3375
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:37,239
is perfectly positioned as a survival

3376
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:38,770
zone October and that these people

3377
02:00:44,220 --> 02:00:41,650
emerged and repopulated Eurasia and

3378
02:00:45,870 --> 02:00:44,230
that's why the Eurasians and the Asians

3379
02:00:47,790 --> 02:00:45,880
are genetically closer

3380
02:00:48,930 --> 02:00:47,800
Australian Aboriginals than they are to

3381
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:48,940
Africans and that all of those

3382
02:00:53,910 --> 02:00:51,010
populations are closer to each other

3383
02:00:56,189 --> 02:00:53,920
than to Africans and her from

3384
02:00:59,720 --> 02:00:56,199
McCallister's asking how would this a

3385
02:01:03,689 --> 02:00:59,730
reference or connect back to the seven

3386
02:01:05,399 --> 02:01:03,699
mitochondrial daughters of Eve is like

3387
02:01:08,870 --> 02:01:05,409
again but that's that's related to the

3388
02:01:11,370 --> 02:01:08,880
idea of you know Matic mite

3389
02:01:13,140 --> 02:01:11,380
mitochondrial originator wouldn't as

3390
02:01:15,990 --> 02:01:13,150
we've talked about you know originates

3391
02:01:17,340 --> 02:01:16,000
about 150 thousand years ago so that

3392
02:01:19,830 --> 02:01:17,350
yeah that would have been the starting

3393
02:01:22,260 --> 02:01:19,840
point of the repopulation of Africa yeah

3394
02:01:23,939 --> 02:01:22,270
okay yeah all you have to say to that is

3395
02:01:26,550 --> 02:01:23,949
basically yeah you know there would have

3396
02:01:28,770 --> 02:01:26,560
been like Eve's the promise that

3397
02:01:30,330 --> 02:01:28,780
lineages died off so we don't know how

3398
02:01:31,620 --> 02:01:30,340
many Eve's there was the further back

3399
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:31,630
you go the more Eve's there would have

3400
02:01:34,979 --> 02:01:32,650
been you know and she was some lutely

3401
02:01:36,810 --> 02:01:34,989
engineers died off but anyway the point

3402
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:36,820
is that when they first came up with the

3403
02:01:43,649 --> 02:01:39,730
idea it was said you know and this woman

3404
02:01:46,140 --> 02:01:43,659
was probably in Africa right but that

3405
02:01:48,169 --> 02:01:46,150
probably yeah is a key word there

3406
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:48,179
because there literally is no way to

3407
02:01:52,860 --> 02:01:50,770
geographically place her right so it was

3408
02:01:55,050 --> 02:01:52,870
just assumed she was probably in Africa

3409
02:01:57,300 --> 02:01:55,060
because well a lot of effort a lot of

3410
02:01:59,580 --> 02:01:57,310
fossils in Africa most of their older

3411
02:02:01,649 --> 02:01:59,590
fossils so probably she was there too

3412
02:02:03,300 --> 02:02:01,659
but there was absolutely no reason why

3413
02:02:05,879 --> 02:02:03,310
she couldn't have been down in in Eva

3414
02:02:09,600 --> 02:02:05,889
Australasia or Southeast Asia and now we

3415
02:02:11,820 --> 02:02:09,610
know that the genetics of supporting the

3416
02:02:13,260 --> 02:02:11,830
presence of early homo sapiens and not

3417
02:02:15,780 --> 02:02:13,270
as of genetics the fossils in China

3418
02:02:17,250 --> 02:02:15,790
particularly as showing us that there

3419
02:02:19,530 --> 02:02:17,260
was not only was there at Homo erectus

3420
02:02:21,479 --> 02:02:19,540
but there is a wealth of transitional

3421
02:02:22,620 --> 02:02:21,489
forms between nine hundred thousand two

3422
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:22,630
hundred and fifty thousand years ago

3423
02:02:27,300 --> 02:02:25,330
which we see are becoming like

3424
02:02:29,189 --> 02:02:27,310
Neanderthal like or hide a magenta slide

3425
02:02:31,919 --> 02:02:29,199
Denisov and like potentially you know

3426
02:02:34,680 --> 02:02:31,929
some anomaly ones and also home archaic

3427
02:02:37,379 --> 02:02:34,690
Homo sapiens right we don't see that in

3428
02:02:39,209 --> 02:02:37,389
Africa you don't there's a big hole in

3429
02:02:41,070 --> 02:02:39,219
the African record have until three

3430
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:41,080
hundred thousand years ago when we have

3431
02:02:45,149 --> 02:02:43,210
Jevon era hood right there's before that

3432
02:02:47,580 --> 02:02:45,159
if you asked any paleontologist okay or

3433
02:02:49,580 --> 02:02:47,590
where's their fossils for the home of

3434
02:02:54,149 --> 02:02:49,590
Jacques ancestors in Africa before that

3435
02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:54,159
zero well beyond East Asia lots right so

3436
02:02:56,700 --> 02:02:55,360
that that's a problem so I'm going to

3437
02:02:58,590 --> 02:02:56,710
put that Eve where she should have been

3438
02:02:59,109 --> 02:02:58,600
in the first place which is over in the

3439
02:03:03,339 --> 02:02:59,119
east

3440
02:03:04,510 --> 02:03:03,349
not in Africa then again I said I should

3441
02:03:08,500 --> 02:03:04,520
just add that remember I said earlier

3442
02:03:11,530 --> 02:03:08,510
the oldest African DNA we have is eight

3443
02:03:14,470 --> 02:03:11,540
thousand years old so using DNA alone

3444
02:03:17,830 --> 02:03:14,480
you cannot place any of these ancestral

3445
02:03:20,890 --> 02:03:17,840
beings in Africa and that line that DNA

3446
02:03:25,839 --> 02:03:20,900
places people in Africa is based on a

3447
02:03:27,250 --> 02:03:25,849
huge baseless assumption and how would

3448
02:03:29,169 --> 02:03:27,260
this fit into the theory of another

3449
02:03:31,780 --> 02:03:29,179
there's one theory which mikelis has

3450
02:03:34,270 --> 02:03:31,790
talked about regarding the origins of

3451
02:03:35,740 --> 02:03:34,280
civilizations being in ireland again

3452
02:03:37,540 --> 02:03:35,750
i've also heard the same thing of you

3453
02:03:40,060 --> 02:03:37,550
know the origin of civilization being in

3454
02:03:43,209 --> 02:03:40,070
the Andes I've heard it being an Easter

3455
02:03:44,890 --> 02:03:43,219
Island it's there is you know there are

3456
02:03:46,959 --> 02:03:44,900
there a lot of peoples who will say well

3457
02:03:50,470 --> 02:03:46,969
you know civilization or originated in

3458
02:03:51,850 --> 02:03:50,480
one area but you know as as we've said

3459
02:03:53,470 --> 02:03:51,860
that the main at least your main premise

3460
02:03:54,970 --> 02:03:53,480
from what I can understand is that okay

3461
02:03:57,149 --> 02:03:54,980
well it's you know start in Africa you

3462
02:04:00,879 --> 02:03:57,159
know two million years ago we went east

3463
02:04:02,950 --> 02:04:00,889
big you know big event happened several

3464
02:04:06,399 --> 02:04:02,960
big events happened and then it migrated

3465
02:04:08,109 --> 02:04:06,409
back into Africa which you know I think

3466
02:04:09,910 --> 02:04:08,119
is at least something that a lot of

3467
02:04:11,890 --> 02:04:09,920
mainstream a lot of mainstream

3468
02:04:14,229 --> 02:04:11,900
scientists that really really need to

3469
02:04:15,899 --> 02:04:14,239
look at because as you said well you're

3470
02:04:18,339 --> 02:04:15,909
the guy who did this in his bedroom

3471
02:04:20,379 --> 02:04:18,349
we're able to put that together they

3472
02:04:22,629 --> 02:04:20,389
don't like no that's why you don't see

3473
02:04:24,430 --> 02:04:22,639
my book talked about in any in any sort

3474
02:04:26,919 --> 02:04:24,440
of I've sent my book to skeptics to

3475
02:04:28,359 --> 02:04:26,929
review I send it to scientists I send

3476
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:28,369
you know I send stuff to the journalists

3477
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:30,320
they do not want to talk they would not

3478
02:04:34,959 --> 02:04:32,480
even attack me they will not put any

3479
02:04:37,300 --> 02:04:34,969
public focus at all there's no attempt

3480
02:04:39,370 --> 02:04:37,310
to debunk me there's no attempt at all

3481
02:04:40,479 --> 02:04:39,380
to discuss this in public and some

3482
02:04:42,939 --> 02:04:40,489
scientists will talk to me in private

3483
02:04:45,879 --> 02:04:42,949
but nobody will put this in the public

3484
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:45,889
eye because they can't easily dismiss me

3485
02:04:49,330 --> 02:04:47,570
if it was a joke you would see it on

3486
02:04:51,250 --> 02:04:49,340
Yahoo News tomorrow silly

3487
02:04:53,709 --> 02:04:51,260
theorists from England says we started

3488
02:04:55,899 --> 02:04:53,719
in Australia right the reason you nobody

3489
02:04:58,930 --> 02:04:55,909
is seeing that anywhere is because I

3490
02:04:59,890 --> 02:04:58,940
can't be easily dismissed and they

3491
02:05:00,820 --> 02:04:59,900
really hate it when they can't well they

3492
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:00,830
can't do that if they if they can't

3493
02:05:04,930 --> 02:05:02,090
dismiss it they'll just ignore you or

3494
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:04,940
yes death by silence is the other you

3495
02:05:08,109 --> 02:05:06,530
know if they can't take you down then

3496
02:05:09,310 --> 02:05:08,119
they'll just ignore you and make sure

3497
02:05:11,050 --> 02:05:09,320
the journalists weren't talking I have

3498
02:05:12,859 --> 02:05:11,060
journalists say yeah send me the details

3499
02:05:14,359 --> 02:05:12,869
I send them the details

3500
02:05:16,250 --> 02:05:14,369
hear from them again and if I chase them

3501
02:05:18,589 --> 02:05:16,260
they never reply again Wednesday seethe

3502
02:05:20,350 --> 02:05:18,599
I'm arguing against out of Africa that's

3503
02:05:22,459 --> 02:05:20,360
it you never hear from them again

3504
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:22,469
there's a very similar a lot very

3505
02:05:25,250 --> 02:05:23,610
similar thing that happened to really

3506
02:05:27,739 --> 02:05:25,260
start let's say it's very similar

3507
02:05:31,250 --> 02:05:27,749
recently the the CBC which is inverse

3508
02:05:34,479 --> 02:05:31,260
image to the ABC in Australia it there

3509
02:05:37,489 --> 02:05:34,489
was a documentary which was shown that

3510
02:05:39,439 --> 02:05:37,499
argues the solutrean theory for

3511
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:39,449
migration during the last ice age from

3512
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:42,570
Europe into North America and indigenous

3513
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:47,010
groups were screaming racism due to the

3514
02:05:50,869 --> 02:05:48,719
theory being presented because it's like

3515
02:05:51,889 --> 02:05:50,879
well you know the accepted theory is

3516
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:51,899
that we were here first

3517
02:05:55,369 --> 02:05:54,090
then anything else is considered racism

3518
02:05:56,989 --> 02:05:55,379
so there is also that other side where

3519
02:06:01,000 --> 02:05:56,999
if it goes against the theory and it's

3520
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:01,010
it's if it's if the scientists can't

3521
02:06:05,419 --> 02:06:03,840
can't look at it or - or attack it on a

3522
02:06:06,919 --> 02:06:05,429
logical basis they're going to attack it

3523
02:06:08,959 --> 02:06:06,929
and using at hominem attacks or there's

3524
02:06:10,489 --> 02:06:08,969
going to ignore it the same thing with

3525
02:06:12,319 --> 02:06:10,499
with the political sphere when it comes

3526
02:06:13,369 --> 02:06:12,329
to archaeological evidence they're gonna

3527
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:13,379
politicize and they're going to do

3528
02:06:17,540 --> 02:06:16,050
they're going to use you know attacks

3529
02:06:19,669 --> 02:06:17,550
they're meant to shock and they're meant

3530
02:06:20,689 --> 02:06:19,679
to you know anger people because it's

3531
02:06:22,310 --> 02:06:20,699
like nobody wants to be thought of a

3532
02:06:25,069 --> 02:06:22,320
racist for trying to think of something

3533
02:06:27,409 --> 02:06:25,079
in a scientific manner and you know

3534
02:06:30,709 --> 02:06:27,419
again there's a difference between you

3535
02:06:33,259 --> 02:06:30,719
know looking at a scientific manner from

3536
02:06:34,879 --> 02:06:33,269
a theory of something that some people

3537
02:06:37,850 --> 02:06:34,889
say was disproven although I don't think

3538
02:06:39,819 --> 02:06:37,860
that especially I don't think that it

3539
02:06:41,810 --> 02:06:39,829
was actually disproven because there are

3540
02:06:43,759 --> 02:06:41,820
spear points but you do point to the

3541
02:06:46,699 --> 02:06:43,769
theory possibly being or having some

3542
02:06:47,959 --> 02:06:46,709
credence to it and this is the same

3543
02:06:48,949 --> 02:06:47,969
thing I've heard over and over and over

3544
02:06:50,359 --> 02:06:48,959
again the same you know the same thing

3545
02:06:53,449 --> 02:06:50,369
with with hid anything from Hancock the

3546
02:06:55,489 --> 02:06:53,459
anything with with Randall Carlson that

3547
02:06:57,979 --> 02:06:55,499
is just constantly attacked and it takes

3548
02:06:59,239 --> 02:06:57,989
a very brave soul to to put you know you

3549
02:07:01,609 --> 02:06:59,249
know put their thoughts on paper and put

3550
02:07:03,649 --> 02:07:01,619
it out there for the world to see mm-hmm

3551
02:07:04,580 --> 02:07:03,659
now for things that haven't come up I

3552
02:07:05,659 --> 02:07:04,590
know that you've got a new book that

3553
02:07:07,429 --> 02:07:05,669
you're working on that we're not going

3554
02:07:08,659 --> 02:07:07,439
to discuss because we're just gonna say

3555
02:07:10,219 --> 02:07:08,669
wait for the sequel

3556
02:07:14,299 --> 02:07:10,229
well having back on hopefully when it

3557
02:07:16,250 --> 02:07:14,309
comes out to close out what do you have

3558
02:07:17,509 --> 02:07:16,260
what are your thoughts on AI on where

3559
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:17,519
it's taking us I know it's completely

3560
02:07:21,409 --> 02:07:19,530
got a left field but Lee always asks the

3561
02:07:23,689 --> 02:07:21,419
left-field questions and it's always

3562
02:07:25,140 --> 02:07:23,699
nice to get people's opinions on this

3563
02:07:31,020 --> 02:07:25,150
because you seem like a very sharp guy

3564
02:07:33,930 --> 02:07:31,030
so yeah yeah I mean I mean I do see you

3565
02:07:35,700 --> 02:07:33,940
know technologies is a double-edged

3566
02:07:37,890 --> 02:07:35,710
sword you know we know that with any

3567
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:37,900
advanced technologies we're working on

3568
02:07:42,540 --> 02:07:39,850
you know the same as like the worries

3569
02:07:44,460 --> 02:07:42,550
that we had with them with

3570
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:44,470
nanotechnologies you know that we could

3571
02:07:48,780 --> 02:07:46,330
create this was it called the gray cloud

3572
02:07:51,180 --> 02:07:48,790
or having out this gray goo where we

3573
02:07:53,370 --> 02:07:51,190
would go run amuck and the nanobots

3574
02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:53,380
would convert all of us into just a gray

3575
02:07:56,940 --> 02:07:54,970
slime or something you know and that

3576
02:07:59,040 --> 02:07:56,950
would be the end of you know humanity

3577
02:08:01,170 --> 02:07:59,050
that you know again with AI that we have

3578
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:01,180
that problem where you know it can solve

3579
02:08:05,970 --> 02:08:03,610
you know incredible problems you know

3580
02:08:08,430 --> 02:08:05,980
that if we can allow AI to take over

3581
02:08:09,420 --> 02:08:08,440
some mundane operations that you know

3582
02:08:11,460 --> 02:08:09,430
other people are doing that we don't

3583
02:08:14,150 --> 02:08:11,470
necessarily need to do you know we can

3584
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:14,160
have any idea that yeah okay streamlines

3585
02:08:17,880 --> 02:08:16,330
civilization obviously those people will

3586
02:08:20,010 --> 02:08:17,890
lose their jobs so it's not good for

3587
02:08:21,600 --> 02:08:20,020
that and on a personal level

3588
02:08:22,850 --> 02:08:21,610
but that yeah we can see then and of

3589
02:08:25,410 --> 02:08:22,860
course you have AI running our

3590
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:25,420
technologies running our spacecraft you

3591
02:08:30,060 --> 02:08:27,370
know I can see that it's like incredible

3592
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:30,070
things you can do with it but the worry

3593
02:08:35,970 --> 02:08:33,010
is that that when we see the leadership

3594
02:08:38,460 --> 02:08:35,980
of our of our civilizations at the

3595
02:08:40,380 --> 02:08:38,470
moment you know things are not generally

3596
02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:40,390
done for the benevolence you know of the

3597
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:42,310
people and so you know what we really

3598
02:08:47,040 --> 02:08:44,770
see in is intelligent computer systems

3599
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:47,050
that that analyze your data in

3600
02:08:52,080 --> 02:08:49,090
microseconds and decide whether you know

3601
02:08:53,520 --> 02:08:52,090
you're a solid component of society or

3602
02:08:56,730 --> 02:08:53,530
you know whether you're some kind of

3603
02:08:58,440 --> 02:08:56,740
threat or a useless eater and then the

3604
02:09:01,320 --> 02:08:58,450
only maybe your insurance premiums go up

3605
02:09:02,460 --> 02:09:01,330
your your job is lost your health is

3606
02:09:03,900 --> 02:09:02,470
worked out you can't have health

3607
02:09:06,270 --> 02:09:03,910
insurance and you know you have all

3608
02:09:08,370 --> 02:09:06,280
these analytic process done by faceless

3609
02:09:10,050 --> 02:09:08,380
you know what is Computers Computers

3610
02:09:12,660 --> 02:09:10,060
it's making decisions that once upon a

3611
02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:12,670
time a human with compassion and with

3612
02:09:16,590 --> 02:09:15,610
empathy would analyze and do what would

3613
02:09:18,270 --> 02:09:16,600
make you know think of what's in the

3614
02:09:19,890 --> 02:09:18,280
best interest of humans I mean there's

3615
02:09:22,380 --> 02:09:19,900
decide if what's in the best interest of

3616
02:09:24,570 --> 02:09:22,390
the species and like the global whole

3617
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:24,580
and maybe AI is really good in that

3618
02:09:28,290 --> 02:09:26,410
respect but when you think of what's

3619
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:28,300
good for individuals I think there's a

3620
02:09:32,610 --> 02:09:30,010
lot of individuals will find that they

3621
02:09:34,140 --> 02:09:32,620
suffer greatly by the implications of

3622
02:09:37,710 --> 02:09:34,150
having AI take over

3623
02:09:38,899 --> 02:09:37,720
you know processes and work so I mean I

3624
02:09:41,570 --> 02:09:38,909
I had had

3625
02:09:43,310 --> 02:09:41,580
like some deep concerns about the way in

3626
02:09:44,990 --> 02:09:43,320
which you know we go in that direction

3627
02:09:46,910 --> 02:09:45,000
because there's there's sort of safe

3628
02:09:48,590 --> 02:09:46,920
uses of AI and there's dangerous uses

3629
02:09:52,129 --> 02:09:48,600
and and then of course there's yeah the

3630
02:09:53,209 --> 02:09:52,139
idea of overly human-like AI I don't

3631
02:09:56,540 --> 02:09:53,219
know if we can ever really have a true

3632
02:09:59,030 --> 02:09:56,550
conscious AI I'm not I'm not sure I

3633
02:10:00,830 --> 02:09:59,040
wouldn't say no because the fundamental

3634
02:10:02,419 --> 02:10:00,840
things we don't really understand the

3635
02:10:05,149 --> 02:10:02,429
nature of consciousness we don't know

3636
02:10:07,490 --> 02:10:05,159
where it emerged from like but we assume

3637
02:10:09,890 --> 02:10:07,500
that it's at some stage emerged from

3638
02:10:12,439 --> 02:10:09,900
nonliving non-organic

3639
02:10:13,010 --> 02:10:12,449
physical matter right so if it's done at

3640
02:10:16,010 --> 02:10:13,020
once

3641
02:10:17,629 --> 02:10:16,020
can you do it twice you know so we do

3642
02:10:19,610 --> 02:10:17,639
have to worry a little bit about that

3643
02:10:21,470 --> 02:10:19,620
it's not necessarily even just how

3644
02:10:23,209 --> 02:10:21,480
advanced the code is because if

3645
02:10:25,370 --> 02:10:23,219
consciousness these are like you know an

3646
02:10:27,680 --> 02:10:25,380
emergent property of matter which I

3647
02:10:29,629 --> 02:10:27,690
think it is you know because it seems it

3648
02:10:31,580 --> 02:10:29,639
has to emerge at some point than that

3649
02:10:33,740 --> 02:10:31,590
from physical matter right no matter was

3650
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:33,750
here on an alien world at some point

3651
02:10:37,939 --> 02:10:36,090
consciousness emerged from physical

3652
02:10:40,490 --> 02:10:37,949
matter so like if hasn't freaked you out

3653
02:10:42,770 --> 02:10:40,500
a bit you know it should because if we

3654
02:10:44,209 --> 02:10:42,780
have we have a computer yeah there is

3655
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:44,219
made of stuff that contains

3656
02:10:48,050 --> 02:10:45,840
consciousness at the inherent you know

3657
02:10:50,390 --> 02:10:48,060
sub quantum level and we give it this

3658
02:10:53,300 --> 02:10:50,400
kind of this infrastructure to work from

3659
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:53,310
to express or express itself you know

3660
02:10:56,959 --> 02:10:55,050
what would that new consciousness be

3661
02:10:58,160 --> 02:10:56,969
like I mean so and it wouldn't have

3662
02:10:59,959 --> 02:10:58,170
anything to do with the codes that we

3663
02:11:02,450 --> 02:10:59,969
put in it it would simply take over the

3664
02:11:04,399 --> 02:11:02,460
codes take over the systems and utilize

3665
02:11:05,450 --> 02:11:04,409
them you know like a little baby that

3666
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:05,460
doesn't know what it's doing it's just

3667
02:11:09,530 --> 02:11:07,290
like playing with all this these toys so

3668
02:11:11,060 --> 02:11:09,540
I do see that danger and I think that

3669
02:11:13,490 --> 02:11:11,070
comes from that materialist view that

3670
02:11:14,780 --> 02:11:13,500
the materialists don't see those dangers

3671
02:11:17,180 --> 02:11:14,790
because they said well you know less and

3672
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:17,190
that's a compound in a stream is it by

3673
02:11:21,020 --> 02:11:19,050
lightning and and all the compounds come

3674
02:11:22,700 --> 02:11:21,030
together and somehow it makes DNA it's

3675
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:22,710
like so I don't believe that that's how

3676
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:25,050
it happened don't believe you and I

3677
02:11:28,430 --> 02:11:26,850
don't believe that consciousness just

3678
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:28,440
comes out of your brain I'm sorry I

3679
02:11:32,810 --> 02:11:30,570
don't believe you so so they don't see a

3680
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:32,820
problem with that because they have a

3681
02:11:37,189 --> 02:11:35,010
really strange reductionist worldview

3682
02:11:38,990 --> 02:11:37,199
which you know and because of that they

3683
02:11:41,120 --> 02:11:39,000
could really put the rest of us at risk

3684
02:11:43,129 --> 02:11:41,130
because they're not willing to look at

3685
02:11:44,660 --> 02:11:43,139
the objective argument therefore look

3686
02:11:46,340 --> 02:11:44,670
consciousness could just emerge any

3687
02:11:47,780 --> 02:11:46,350
[\h__\h] time into that system and we

3688
02:11:49,669 --> 02:11:47,790
won't know what that consciousness is

3689
02:11:51,860 --> 02:11:49,679
like or what he wants to do with us so I

3690
02:11:53,900 --> 02:11:51,870
do see an inherent danger

3691
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:53,910
in that but also those other points I

3692
02:11:56,990 --> 02:11:55,290
make you know they're just the way we

3693
02:11:59,090 --> 02:11:57,000
use AI without you even get to that

3694
02:12:00,950 --> 02:11:59,100
level just the way humans would use AI

3695
02:12:03,470 --> 02:12:00,960
and the people for the leader sweetie

3696
02:12:06,050 --> 02:12:03,480
news AI is a terrible concern because we

3697
02:12:07,130 --> 02:12:06,060
don't have a gala terian government all

3698
02:12:10,550 --> 02:12:07,140
that in the fact I think at this point

3699
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:10,560
we have AI a face swapping porn there

3700
02:12:14,810 --> 02:12:13,050
that's now being released yeah

3701
02:12:16,340 --> 02:12:14,820
really strange stuff already we always

3702
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:16,350
see in it you know if humans can find a

3703
02:12:21,290 --> 02:12:18,960
way to misuse a technology like we'll

3704
02:12:22,970 --> 02:12:21,300
find it pretty fast you know you know so

3705
02:12:25,450 --> 02:12:22,980
you know and like they want to you know

3706
02:12:28,730 --> 02:12:25,460
have AI weapons of war you know with

3707
02:12:30,200 --> 02:12:28,740
battle robots they're you know that can

3708
02:12:32,240 --> 02:12:30,210
basically you've probably seen it's been

3709
02:12:35,240 --> 02:12:32,250
no one's making an autonomous battle

3710
02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:35,250
robot that could feed on on organic

3711
02:12:38,780 --> 02:12:37,170
matter ie you know it could conceivably

3712
02:12:41,330 --> 02:12:38,790
consume the bodies of the dead

3713
02:12:44,450 --> 02:12:41,340
propelling itself forward and running

3714
02:12:46,370 --> 02:12:44,460
independently on its own AI I mean

3715
02:12:49,880 --> 02:12:46,380
really that's a [\h__\h] good idea now

3716
02:12:50,990 --> 02:12:49,890
it's horrible [\h__\h] robots this is

3717
02:12:52,550 --> 02:12:51,000
it's it's even worse than terminator

3718
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:52,560
it's like it's gonna kill you and then

3719
02:12:58,490 --> 02:12:56,610
it's gonna eat the kids yeah I mean like

3720
02:13:00,350 --> 02:12:58,500
what why someone thinking in it when

3721
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:00,360
they see it in their in their lab and

3722
02:13:05,540 --> 02:13:03,360
they think hmm I know a good idea would

3723
02:13:06,980 --> 02:13:05,550
be you know a self-propelled autonomous

3724
02:13:09,410 --> 02:13:06,990
battery one that eats people

3725
02:13:11,600 --> 02:13:09,420
hmm and they get like an award you know

3726
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:11,610
for designing that hey you feel like is

3727
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:13,770
that our society now then it's pretty if

3728
02:13:16,910 --> 02:13:15,570
that's what you're gonna Ward for like

3729
02:13:19,130 --> 02:13:16,920
we're pretty messed up it's a species

3730
02:13:21,230 --> 02:13:19,140
you know I mean that's so I don't know I

3731
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:21,240
don't think I'm ready for advanced AI in

3732
02:13:28,940 --> 02:13:25,850
the current state that we're in no

3733
02:13:33,350 --> 02:13:28,950
goodness no and at that I think I think

3734
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:33,360
I'm just think I think though the two

3735
02:13:35,900 --> 02:13:34,410
things that we always do with every

3736
02:13:37,790 --> 02:13:35,910
single piece of new technology is oh

3737
02:13:39,710 --> 02:13:37,800
sorry three things we're gonna kill each

3738
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:39,720
other with it make money from it and

3739
02:13:44,450 --> 02:13:41,850
then have sex with it or use it to

3740
02:13:47,570 --> 02:13:44,460
simulate sex in some way though those

3741
02:13:48,860 --> 02:13:47,580
are the three basic things that we write

3742
02:13:53,980 --> 02:13:48,870
if there's food in there somewhere than

3743
02:13:56,390 --> 02:13:53,990
sure but you know at least I know that

3744
02:13:58,250 --> 02:13:56,400
we've got individuals like Elon Musk who

3745
02:13:59,480 --> 02:13:58,260
are at least talking out against this

3746
02:14:00,650 --> 02:13:59,490
type of [\h__\h] we've got very smart people

3747
02:14:03,890 --> 02:14:00,660
who are like one you don't want to do

3748
02:14:05,690 --> 02:14:03,900
this and it's like okay he's rich he got

3749
02:14:08,630 --> 02:14:05,700
rich somehow he must be pretty smart I

3750
02:14:11,420 --> 02:14:08,640
think maybe heat my point are you

3751
02:14:13,430 --> 02:14:11,430
familiar with them like black mirror

3752
02:14:15,820 --> 02:14:13,440
you've seen the black mirror shows I

3753
02:14:17,720 --> 02:14:15,830
have not actually seen black mirror know

3754
02:14:19,670 --> 02:14:17,730
anyone out there to watch them because

3755
02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:19,680
you know you know dystopian views of

3756
02:14:23,720 --> 02:14:22,410
where our technologies go and I forgot

3757
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:23,730
the name the guy that writes them but

3758
02:14:27,410 --> 02:14:25,650
you know he's very visionary and like

3759
02:14:28,580 --> 02:14:27,420
you know has kind of the scene you know

3760
02:14:31,190 --> 02:14:28,590
where things like not just like where

3761
02:14:33,710 --> 02:14:31,200
social media goes but I will go and

3762
02:14:36,170 --> 02:14:33,720
where all these you know the problems

3763
02:14:38,600 --> 02:14:36,180
you know that very realistically fought

3764
02:14:40,850 --> 02:14:38,610
out future problems not distant future

3765
02:14:44,030 --> 02:14:40,860
you know imminent future problems with

3766
02:14:45,080 --> 02:14:44,040
some of these AI and you know I think

3767
02:14:47,240 --> 02:14:45,090
that yeah we probably have done this

3768
02:14:48,380 --> 02:14:47,250
before I mean I think I don't got much

3769
02:14:51,230 --> 02:14:48,390
time but I'll give you what I consider

3770
02:14:53,180 --> 02:14:51,240
like a worrying example that perhaps

3771
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:53,190
we've done this before instead like all

3772
02:14:56,900 --> 02:14:54,330
around the world like you've got these

3773
02:14:58,340 --> 02:14:56,910
stories of like like sort shaman's and

3774
02:15:01,430 --> 02:14:58,350
medicine men who would stare into a

3775
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:01,440
handheld polished onyx black mirrors

3776
02:15:05,390 --> 02:15:03,570
right and they would describe the world

3777
02:15:06,950 --> 02:15:05,400
and know all knowledge through their

3778
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:06,960
little black mirrors now you look around

3779
02:15:11,030 --> 02:15:08,610
I see pee wherever as scrying the world

3780
02:15:12,260 --> 02:15:11,040
through their handheld black mirrors you

3781
02:15:13,850 --> 02:15:12,270
know and I when you think of that

3782
02:15:15,980 --> 02:15:13,860
description that's [\h__\h] frightening

3783
02:15:18,050 --> 02:15:15,990
because yeah yeah have at have we've

3784
02:15:19,610 --> 02:15:18,060
done this before why is it the elders to

3785
02:15:20,930 --> 02:15:19,620
it oh yeah you know once upon a time you

3786
02:15:23,090 --> 02:15:20,940
know you can stare into your black

3787
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:23,100
mirror and know all things in all places

3788
02:15:27,410 --> 02:15:25,440
and like here I am I can pick up my art

3789
02:15:29,450 --> 02:15:27,420
you know my phone and I can stare into

3790
02:15:31,490 --> 02:15:29,460
NC things in all places now if that

3791
02:15:33,380 --> 02:15:31,500
isn't a frightening sort of like

3792
02:15:34,730 --> 02:15:33,390
coincidence I don't know what [\h__\h] is

3793
02:15:36,920 --> 02:15:34,740
because that sounds to me like you know

3794
02:15:39,380 --> 02:15:36,930
we've got to that level before at some

3795
02:15:40,760 --> 02:15:39,390
point and it's in those oral stories you

3796
02:15:42,380 --> 02:15:40,770
know and I know that that's difficult to

3797
02:15:44,450 --> 02:15:42,390
prove as I say like to find you parts to

3798
02:15:46,520 --> 02:15:44,460
prove it but if you just take your or

3799
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:46,530
warning there that it does sound like

3800
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:48,330
maybe we've done some of this before in

3801
02:15:54,740 --> 02:15:50,880
the vast cycles of time that um you know

3802
02:15:56,240 --> 02:15:54,750
we should be very cautious and I don't

3803
02:15:59,840 --> 02:15:56,250
even a couple minutes burning in a in a

3804
02:16:01,250 --> 02:15:59,850
book here I've got that comic song is

3805
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:01,260
any better way this works if he's in the

3806
02:16:04,700 --> 02:16:02,880
Book of Enoch is now I think that they

3807
02:16:08,930 --> 02:16:04,710
talk about the angels kind of say to him

3808
02:16:10,640 --> 02:16:08,940
that when when humanity takes the life

3809
02:16:13,370 --> 02:16:10,650
steals the knowledge of the angels and

3810
02:16:15,920 --> 02:16:13,380
then practices black magic and sorcery

3811
02:16:18,459 --> 02:16:15,930
that they have to be cold back again and

3812
02:16:20,020 --> 02:16:18,469
that that's the sort of the trigger and

3813
02:16:21,339 --> 02:16:20,030
look now and like you hear you know you

3814
02:16:23,680 --> 02:16:21,349
hear the stories of the advanced

3815
02:16:26,049 --> 02:16:23,690
technology being misused in black ops

3816
02:16:27,969 --> 02:16:26,059
projects which conceivably is what would

3817
02:16:30,250 --> 02:16:27,979
be called the knowledge of the angels

3818
02:16:31,870 --> 02:16:30,260
you know that we're able to do things

3819
02:16:34,750 --> 02:16:31,880
that are like magic and that these

3820
02:16:38,110 --> 02:16:34,760
people are associated with what seems to

3821
02:16:40,019 --> 02:16:38,120
be a cult nefarious practices of these

3822
02:16:42,490 --> 02:16:40,029
exposed networks of child abuse and

3823
02:16:44,139 --> 02:16:42,500
satanic child abuse you know if that

3824
02:16:46,030 --> 02:16:44,149
isn't the black magic and stuff you know

3825
02:16:47,650 --> 02:16:46,040
so so anyone who takes those kind of old

3826
02:16:48,910 --> 02:16:47,660
stories seriously you know you look at

3827
02:16:52,570 --> 02:16:48,920
that in the Book of Enoch and you think

3828
02:16:55,799 --> 02:16:52,580
my god that sounds like now no that's a

3829
02:16:58,809 --> 02:16:55,809
very big that's a very good possibility

3830
02:17:02,889 --> 02:16:58,819
the subject for the show we talked about

3831
02:17:04,299 --> 02:17:02,899
at some point but but for now I at least

3832
02:17:05,679 --> 02:17:04,309
and gentlemen I'm gonna you know I'm

3833
02:17:08,049 --> 02:17:05,689
gonna pick some see if I can actually

3834
02:17:10,049 --> 02:17:08,059
add some good outer music for a hear

3835
02:17:14,979 --> 02:17:10,059
someone that's not going to get me a

3836
02:17:16,360 --> 02:17:14,989
flag for for copyright I keep getting

3837
02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:16,370
copyright flags which is kind of

3838
02:17:22,860 --> 02:17:19,969
annoying uh has ever been played I've

3839
02:17:28,389 --> 02:17:22,870
been played yeah that's you know I love

3840
02:17:31,809 --> 02:17:28,399
how it's good the usual one it's there

3841
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:31,819
we go this is from my friend Abe Van

3842
02:17:36,040 --> 02:17:34,880
Damme this is shake it so ladies and

3843
02:17:39,929 --> 02:17:36,050
gentlemen don't forget to shake it up

3844
02:17:42,129 --> 02:17:39,939
this weekend have yourself a good time

3845
02:17:43,059 --> 02:17:42,139
thank you very much chef Bruce for being

3846
02:17:44,650 --> 02:17:43,069
on the show if you just want to write

3847
02:17:46,750 --> 02:17:44,660
wait around for a second to so I can I

3848
02:17:49,509 --> 02:17:46,760
can talk you out and for all ladies and

3849
02:17:55,599 --> 02:17:49,519
gents next week I'm gonna be releasing

3850
02:17:57,580 --> 02:17:55,609
the lineup for February starting next

3851
02:17:59,110 --> 02:17:57,590
week that'll be on Monday or Tuesday

3852
02:18:00,639 --> 02:17:59,120
along with all the episodes that were

3853
02:18:03,490 --> 02:18:00,649
leading up till now I've got two bonus

3854
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:03,500
episodes to do still so I'll hopefully

3855
02:18:06,259 --> 02:18:04,729
have those up it was about time this

3856
02:18:09,789 --> 02:18:06,269
weekend

3857
02:18:11,649 --> 02:18:09,799
and at February a fantastic Montford

3858
02:18:16,759 --> 02:18:11,659
sleep well

3859
02:18:18,840 --> 02:18:16,769
chase that sunrise and we will see you